Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2354904)

Lewis Hamilton, anybody?

I can't bring myself to consider him one of F1's greatest. I feel like that if he didn't have such a good team of engineers, mechanics, etc behind him he wouldn't be where he is. I feel that everybody gives him credit for what the Mercedes team (and McLaren before, although he had some problems with them) has done for him. I'm not saying he's not good...he's a damn good driver but I don't consider him a living legend by any means. He comes across to me as a guy who takes advantage of a good situation and tries to do too much with it.

EDIT: Opinion is the same regardless of whether or not I have the big Scuderia Ferrari signature. I'd feel the same way, either way.

Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2355082)

:haha:

I just don't get this Beatles mania that is still here today!

They were rubbish and very over rated.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2354929)

Can you name me a world champion that won said position with a poor underperforming car and similar backup team?

Originally Posted by BossMark (Post 2355092)

Got to agree with Lewis Hamilton, his heads that big I am surprised that he can walk through the door, and I could win the F1 championship in the car he as been given to drive.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2354929)

Can you name me a world champion that won said position with a poor underperforming car and similar backup team?

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2355109)

Juan Manuel Fangio, 1957.

Just my opinion, of course.

Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 2355132)

Michael Schumacher 1994.
Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2355048)

Continuing on the theme of WWII, I want to take a different stance and promote something, or rather someone, who is rather underrated and indeed has come to symbolise the failures which lead to the war.

Neville Chamberlain.

A name often associated with one action at one place, the treaty of Munich, but Chamberlain did so much more than that. In fact, he presided over the steady armament and preparation of Britain for an outbreak of war in Europe. Churchill came in as PM when it had all been completed, and carried in Britain in the defence and then offensive, but Chamberlain was the PM who laid the groundwork.
It's just a pity that all he is remembered for is a mistake in his foreign policy, but there's a lot of Presidents and Prime Minister who have history like that. :03:

Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2355106)

I wasn't at all saying that he's not talented. He's a damn good driver to even be in Formula One and a better one to win but a lot of that has to do with the fact that the Mercedes engineers have crafted the almost-perfect racing car this season.

It's exactly my point. He's a good driver...but he wouldn't be winning if the car wasn't so well put together. Take Fernando Alonso...great driver but awful car. My Ford Focus could probably nearly beat the McLaren-Honda this year. (Not being serious...but insulting McLaren-Honda is necessary)



This whole thing on turn one of the US GP with him and Rosberg just goes to prove the point. Hamilton "under-steered into" his teammate and then claims he did nothing wrong. Then the guy says “Everyone has the right to their own opinion but it doesn’t matter because I won the race so I feel pretty good about it.” Yeah, Rosberg ran wide later and gave up the lead to Hammy but that's unrelated.

Meanwhile, Rosberg is pissed...and it's not the first time this happened either. They crashed at Spa last year.

I just can't bring myself to like the guy or think that he deserves the hype that he gets. I feel like Rosberg would be better off with a different teammate...I feel like he deserves a better teammate whether he's with Mercedes or not in the coming years.

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This is why WRC, WEC and WTCC is more entertaining. No drama. :rock:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2355241)

TBH and in all fairness I feel similarly regarding 'Finger Man' Vettel.

Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2355371)

How about... Apple? I am not sure how it works in the Western countries, but in Russia people buy Apple stuff just b/c of brand loyalty.

Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2355371)

How about... Apple? I am not sure how it works in the Western countries, but in Russia people buy Apple stuff just b/c of brand loyalty.