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AVGWarhawk 07-25-13 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2090295)
You think you'd be better off during a time when, if you had a relationship with a white woman her father could just shoot you, and the judge would call it "justifiable homicide"?

Interesting.

Better yet, let's take a look at Emmett Till for allegedly whistling at a white woman.

garren 07-25-13 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2090302)
Better yet, let's take a look at Emmett Till for allegedly whistling at a white woman.

Come into a black neighborhood as a white man and whistle at a black woman and you're gonna get shot or beat down.

Probably been more whites killed by blacks in the last 40 years than all the blacks white folks ever killed off in the entire history of the US. But this is the same America that armed Japan before WWII and armed Iraq before the Gulf war. You give your foes the tools to fight against you and they will.

AVGWarhawk 07-25-13 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by garren (Post 2090307)
Come into a black neighborhood as a white man and whistle at a black woman and you're gonna get shot or beat down.

This has little bearing on stating living in the 50's as a black man was much better.

CaptainHaplo 07-26-13 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2090310)
This has little bearing on stating living in the 50's as a black man was much better.

When you compare what a black man would have happen for doing something to a white woman "back then" and you swap it around now and the results are similar, it does have bearing.

If anything, it is evidence that the average male in the black community is likely just as "racist" as any white in the 50's.

AVGWarhawk 07-26-13 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 2090898)
When you compare what a black man would have happen for doing something to a white woman "back then" and you swap it around now and the results are similar, it does have bearing.

If anything, it is evidence that the average male in the black community is likely just as "racist" as any white in the 50's.

I has no bearing to this particular discussion.

I would need a bit more evidence to substantiate your claim that average male in the black community is likely racist as a white person in the 50's.

CaptainHaplo 07-26-13 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2090912)
I has no bearing to this particular discussion.

I would need a bit more evidence to substantiate your claim that average male in the black community is likely racist as a white person in the 50's.

You mentioned Emmitt Till. Go look up Pat Mahaney or John Sanders or Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian (and the list goes on and on).

You don't hear about black on white crime for one reason - the AP censors it. They have admitted it in fact. Read a little, you might be shocked....

http://www.examiner.com/article/shou...-reports-crime

Just because you don't hear about it, doesn't mean it isn't true. A little research will show you the facts.

Armistead 07-26-13 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2090912)
I has no bearing to this particular discussion.

I would need a bit more evidence to substantiate your claim that average male in the black community is likely racist as a white person in the 50's.

I got lost once and ended up in the housing projects at a stoplight. There were several blacks on the corners. I was behind a car. I actually rolled my window down to ask how to get back to the interstate and was met with every racial slur possible, even heard " kill the cracker". Someone threw a bottle at my truck and one even kicked my truck. I went around the car and ran the light as my truck was being kicked. Just a block over I passed a cop, who came back and pulled me, asked me what I was doing. I told him I was lost, he told me to get out of there before I got killed, then nicely led me out.

I think rap started to tell the truth of the inner city, but later turned into music to promote the thug life, rather than change it. IMO, Tina Turner has more talent in her little toe than all the rappers today combined.

What does this have to do with the topic, nothing, but thought I would mention it since the topic strayed...:D

AVGWarhawk 07-26-13 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 2090974)
You mentioned Emmitt Till. Go look up Pat Mahaney or John Sanders or Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian (and the list goes on and on).

You don't hear about black on white crime for one reason - the AP censors it. They have admitted it in fact. Read a little, you might be shocked....

http://www.examiner.com/article/shou...-reports-crime

Just because you don't hear about it, doesn't mean it isn't true. A little research will show you the facts.

So Emmitt Till is racist? This is your claim.

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If anything, it is evidence that the average male in the black community is likely just as "racist" as any white in the 50's.
Unless of course you are speaking of a black being as racist today as a white would have been in the 50's. If that is the case, then I would concur.

As for the rest of your dissertation, it is unnecessary.

AVGWarhawk 07-26-13 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2090989)
I got lost once and ended up in the housing projects at a stoplight. There were several blacks on the corners. I was behind a car. I actually rolled my window down to ask how to get back to the interstate and was met with every racial slur possible, even heard " kill the cracker". Someone threw a bottle at my truck and one even kicked my truck. I went around the car and ran the light as my truck was being kicked. Just a block over I passed a cop, who came back and pulled me, asked me what I was doing. I told him I was lost, he told me to get out of there before I got killed, then nicely led me out.

I think rap started to tell the truth of the inner city, but later turned into music to promote the thug life, rather than change it. IMO, Tina Turner has more talent in her little toe than all the rappers today combined.

What does this have to do with the topic, nothing, but thought I would mention it since the topic strayed...:D


Not really off topic. I'm trying to decipher what he is pointing out as blacks just as racist in the 50's as whites or black TODAY are just as racists as whites in the 50's.

Wolferz 07-26-13 11:15 AM

Racism is as ugly a word as the concept behind it.
We're all human beings here. Until the day comes that this planet is invaded by extraterrestrials who kill people of every color, we will have racism and the racists who promote it.

AVGWarhawk 07-26-13 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2091004)
Racism is as ugly a word as the concept behind it.
We're all human beings here. Until the day comes that this planet is invaded by extraterrestrials who kill people of every color, we will have racism and the racists who promote it.

There is racial issues with green people from foreign planets as well. It's just a mess really.

Wolferz 07-26-13 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2091005)
There is racial issues with green people from foreign planets as well. It's just a mess really.


Have a bunch of little green men living in your neighborhood, AVG?:haha:

The white coats are coming.:03:

It's those Coneheads from Remulak that are causing all the tension. Always consuming mass quantities and using those racial slurs like Oblio and bluntskull.:-?
They should all have to gnarfle the Garthog!

AVGWarhawk 07-26-13 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2091047)
Have a bunch of little green men living in your neighborhood, AVG?:haha:

The white coats are coming.:03:

It's those Coneheads from Remulak that are causing all the tension. Using racial slurs like Oblio and bluntskull.:-?
They should all have to gnarfle the Garthog!

http://goddamnaliens.files.wordpress...ts-aliens1.jpg

CaptainHaplo 07-26-13 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2090991)
So Emmitt Till is racist? This is your claim.

No - I am noting the fact that the Emmitt Till murder was driven by racism. I didn't say anything about HIM being racist. I simply pointed out that while you can point to that as white crime on black, there is plenty of black on white crime today - and none of it gets called "racist" even though its clear that race was a significant factor. Racism doesn't just work one way, its simply reported as such.

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Unless of course you are speaking of a black being as racist today as a white would have been in the 50's. If that is the case, then I would concur.
That is why I said "swap it around now" - now being present tense. But we concur - racism is "alive and well", sadly. In fact, its more prevalent today than in the 50's. Now, blacks are racist as much as whites were back then, and you still have some whites - a minority I believe, that are still racist as well.

As for Garren's comment that blacks would be better off "in the 50's" than they are today - just look at the crime numbers. Blacks are anywhere from 7 to 10 times more likely to commit murder - and 94% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks. That was not the case in the "jim crow" days. Now I DON'T agree that we should go back there, but there is no denying that enforced desegregation and enforced "equality" has not made the black community equal - nor has it bettered its existence.

AVGWarhawk 07-26-13 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 2091115)
No - I am noting the fact that the Emmitt Till murder was driven by racism. I didn't say anything about HIM being racist. I simply pointed out that while you can point to that as white crime on black, there is plenty of black on white crime today - and none of it gets called "racist" even though its clear that race was a significant factor. Racism doesn't just work one way, its simply reported as such.



That is why I said "swap it around now" - now being present tense. But we concur - racism is "alive and well", sadly. In fact, its more prevalent today than in the 50's. Now, blacks are racist as much as whites were back then, and you still have some whites - a minority I believe, that are still racist as well.

As for Garren's comment that blacks would be better off "in the 50's" than they are today - just look at the crime numbers. Blacks are anywhere from 7 to 10 times more likely to commit murder - and 94% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks. That was not the case in the "jim crow" days. Now I DON'T agree that we should go back there, but there is no denying that enforced desegregation and enforced "equality" has not made the black community equal - nor has it bettered its existence.

Ok, gotcha', misunderstanding concerning the point you are conveying then and now concerning the 50's.

As far as garrens assertions blacks would be better if they were back in the 50's...I would agree, specifically for the black on black crime. Certainly not for the civil rights of blacks have fought for over the past 80+++ years. But, the black on black crime is of their own doing and never reported. It is the elephant in the room that is ignored because everyone refuses to believe it exists or just to taunting a task to take care of. I'm not sure.


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