I misread the meaning of your original statement.The problem with regenerating the middle class is the real challenge.We will not be able to rely on the old manufacturing jobs because they simply never will come back on the scale they where at 20~30 years ago.The realistic option is to focus on high tech manufacturing which generates fewer but higher paying jobs.These people will fuel an economy which in turn provides jobs for those providing goods and services(I forget the economic term tertiary jobs I think).

The problem of pensions,benefits and fair wages could really be easily solved if people could be convinced to pay just a little more for goods and services.I have no doubt if a national pole was taken the majority of Americans would gladly pay a little more if ti meant that workers got better benefits and pay especially when that means a reduction for lower wages workers reliance on government programs.

Lastly the welfare,medicare,and other government program abuse should be resolved as is many benefit from the current system and not just people directly on the system either.

I can understand that. I wear one pair of shoes in the summer and one pair of boots for the snowy winter. You're probably right about the shoes, but I can afford 20 dollars every year or two, and $140 is pushing it. The boots I got at Pay-Less ten years about eight years ago. I don't know where they were made, but they cost about $25 at the time. They still look new. The boots I saw at your link were $250. A quarter of a thousand dollars for a pair of shoes.

Maybe, but probably and maybe might be wrong. It could have been made anywhere.

Why? Anywhere else is not "USA only". I sometimes joke that buying a decent product for a low price is the American Way. My camera is a Fujimi. My monitor is a Hanns-G, from Germany. My car says American Motors Eagle on the registration, yet it was built by Mitsubishi.

My disability is about half that. It's all relative.


That's great. I have a food store withing walking distance called "Savers". Sometimes they actually are cheaper for certain items, like the pizza I make every Sunday. Other things, like the Nalley's chili I always mention, is currently $2.39 per can. I can get it at Wal*Mart for ninety-eight cents.

And the question was "Biggest Welfare Queen on the planet?" Are they? Do they take gobs of money from the government. The accusation was that they abuse their employees. Do they? I had a job there for the Christmas season 2005. I only wish it could have been permanent. I worked the night stock shift and made $9.00 per hour.

So am I. I can't afford $140 for a pair of pants.

Which was my point in the first place. The OP and the article it links to claim that Wal*Mart is the worst of the bunch. I don't think they are.

Sure there will. The poor customers like me will still go there for food and a lot of other stuff, just like I do now. I buy a lot of videos out of the $5 bin.

Maybe it's not the importers of cheap foreign goods. Maybe the problem is actually the proud "Buy American" groups who charge 250 bucks for a pair of boots. They are the ones catering to the rich.

Have you looked at the price of those things? You'll have to steal one if you really want it.

It's funny how the stereotype of low cost East-Asian products being shoddy doesn't extend to consumer electronics, cars , musical instruments etc.

lots of complaining about cheap clothes, silence on cheap cellphones and graphics cards.

I do wonder how much longer the way things currently are, can last. At some point, a breakdown in society will occur.


Because China gets way too much of our money, and if crap is made in mexico, then they have more jobs, which means less illegals here, which in turn means less gang bangers, which means less crime. Yes I know that is racist profiling, but I grew up in SoCal, had to deal with that crap, and I make no apologies for how i feel about it.

Neither can I. Which if you look at my original statement.. "when i can". Saying I buy american when i can means, if i see the product, and/or if i can afford it. I try when i can. Sometimes for one reason or another i can't - but I try.



http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/30/tech/m...one/index.html

Old fiscal conservative folks died off and left their money to idiots. That's pretty much what happened to the middle class IMO. :D

Sometimes I wonder if our Government is the biggest welfare queen.

Social Security: The Trust Fund Myth
http://www.uschamber.com/issues/reti...rust-fund-myth

In NJ, the state government had been misappropriating pension funds for the state pension accounts. Now, John Q. Taxpayer pays the price and/or give up some benefits.

Behind Fraud Charges, New Jersey’s Deep Crisis
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/ny...rsey.html?_r=0

More than fair. I can say no more.

:rotfl2:

Not funny, but the story it reminds me of is. My friend Rocky was having an argument with a Harley rider. Of course he made the usual disparaging comments about "Rice-grinders". Rocky replied by saying that the Japanese in-line four-cylinder was better than the V-twin in every way - faster, lighter, better-handling and more comfortable to ride. The Harley man said "Well, at least my H-D is made in the USA!"

Rocky replied "So's my Kawasaki. Made in Lincoln, Nebraska."

But isn't that an Irish company when it comes to avoiding tax.:har:
Then again its an American company when it comes to getting multi billion lawsuits for stealing other peoples products.
Still its nice to see Beijing approved the merger and 70% of the assembly will be in the US in what was a Finnish factory.

So its just as multi national as the "american" chippewa boots.

bingo.
Plutocracy is a funny thing

let see I make 9 dollars a hour,pay vacations,401k,company stocks,10% off on stuff I buy,free dinner once a month,and a bonus that can be up 2500 a year if we don't have a lot of accidents,warm and dry in the winter,ac in the summer my avg paycheck every two weeks is 650 dollars and I can even get 15 cents off every gal of gas,next last year the store I work at donated almost a million dollars to the community next we raise money to help the child network last year that was 35k and on a drive now to raise money for them,my death insurance is in my dad name so no reason do I need a handout seems like im doing ok working at wal-mart

I have a pair of USAF issue steel toe boots that I have had since 1997 I do not wear those every day but I have another pair of issue steel toes made in Wisconsin that I wore nearly every single day from 2000-2007 on active duty a ton of hard working abuse and I still wear those boots pretty regular.A 13 year old pair of boots not bad and I am hard on my shoes and boots.I think they cost me $0 dollars.

Another good low cost item made in the US are the BDU pants you buy the heavy weight stitch ones cut the legs off at the knees and sow the ends and you have a very sturdy long lasting pair of shorts.

Well. I woke up at 03:00 or thereabouts, short of sleep again. Turned on my computer only to find my mouse wasn't working. Tried different USB ports. No luck. Tried different batteries. Still no luck. I don't have a spare mouse, so there wasn't much I could do.

Then I remembered...guess who is open 24/7 and has computer stuff. So I drove to he nearest Biggest Welfare Queen On The Planet and bought a cheap mouse to get me by until I can figure out what's wrong with the other one. Turns out that for fifteen bucks this is actually a pretty good mouse. Maybe better than the other one. :O:

What Duh???
http://social.entertainment.msn.com/...9-f0bdfb7203a2

Let's invite a bunch of media moguls to speak and perform at our annual shareholders meeting...
MORE BOLLOCKS!

Sounds like you have an axe to grind against Walmart. How come?

A sharp axe cuts better?:03::D

Perhaps I have a problem with those who flaunt their status while mashing the little guys to achieve that status. Read the article I linked above that illustrated what Tom Cruise had to say at that shareholders meeting. Mostly lies to make Walton' investors feel better about themselves and the corporation they support.
IE: Today there was an article on MSN.com entitled...
9 reasons why you don't want to be rich. WOT?
http://money.msn.com/leadership/9-re...ant-to-be-rich

I can think of 109 reasons why I do. :haha: But, I'm not selling my soul to Xenu to achieve it.:shifty: