I'm sorry, is that supposed to justify the claims going into Iraq?

No it's supposed to show that it wasn't Dick Cheney who made all this up like some here are implying. Saddam being removed from power was an objective of the Federal government long before George Bush was ever elected president but to listen to you progressives you'd think he came up with the idea all on his own.

I didn't use the words Cheney or Bush in this thread. I said that we didn't go into Iraq to free the Iraqi people. Did you actually view that video you linked? Count the number of times that nuclear weapons are mentioned. You just killed your own argument.

And "you progressives". Such nonsense.

No one implied that it was only Cheney who made up crap, the implication is that some people really swallowed all the made up crap and still believe it long after the people who made up the nonsense have admitted it was bull.

sooooooooo, Iran backed Shiite militias kidnapping, torturing and killing an average 30-50 Sunnis a night at the height of the civil war is the U.S.'s fault?

I suppose Iran developping a nuclear arms program is also the U.S.'s fault? :ping:

I killed nothing. Saddam had to be removed from power and that's what was done. Mission accomplished.

Putting your fingers in your ears? Suit yourself, but you're going to have to find someone else to play this game with you again. Shouldn't be hard; looks like there are more than a few willing partners in this thread alone.

Have fun. :salute:

Yeah because like some others here he seems to prefer that Saddam had been left in power to kill another few million innocent people.

If you remove all the state apparatus and fail to provide adequate replacement security as per your obligations as occupying power then you bear responsibility.
Like Rummy, said the blanket removal of the states law and order apparatus was a major mistake which led to those events.
Are you willing to say Rummy was lying when he said that decision led to the lawless chaos that followed?

August, Mr Hussein killed those civilians using torture and all kind of suppression as long as he was a 'friend' of the West.

Now it's time for Godwin's law.
August you would have made a perfct SS man, ignoring all evidence and believing your government against obvious´better knowledge', or taking the voluntary decision to not inform yourself at all.

"Mission accomplished" indeed. The thread can now be closed :dead:

Yeah.... classic way they , the Iraqis knew so well might had worked.:doh:

You are posting in a state of ignorance again:yep:

I would prefer that your country didn't support Saddam in the first place.
I would prefer that you hadn't made such a complete ballsup of the removal.
I would prefer that the removal was done in a manner which didn't hand the mad mullahs a victory.
I would prefer that the stupid lines of obvious nonsense the Administration tried to sell the world hadn't wrecked the wide levels of international concensus which followed had 9/11.

Simple isn't it.

Who said anything about the Iraqi way?
The fault was the attempt to do it on the cheap, removing the state security while completely failing to provide a replacement.

Not bad.... but for most it is just a wisdom after after the fact.