the argument was that we have been fed with propaganda numbers but you failed to see it. Especially when you act according to your modus operandi: read one post, post irrelevant response, being redirected to another post, post another irrelevant response. Read the whole or better don't because it seems like you have come here just to sniff out some imagined problems in my posts. Didn't get my point? I don't care...

I will take that for a compliment.


agreed. That's what I meant. But I've seen posts (including axisforums) in which people argued that the 'final' number of victims should be higher because of that 'straight to gas' transports. That's is what I called idiocy, not the fact that they existed as such.

Back to archives. In 20 years or even less we gonna hear about 4 million and no one will be surprised.

As I hope you can read for yourself, you said nothing of the sort in your post. Your statement rang of an arrogant belief that you and you alone knew what the numbers were, hence the line of questioning from Jim, Dowly and myself. If you had stated clearly in the first place, you wouldn't have three different people chasing you around to try and get you to clarify your remarks, no? Getting all butthurt over it won't change anything. Being needlessly rude to Cybermat47 didn't help either. Just say what you mean and mean what you say. Try to do it in a respectful manner too. We could have avoided all of this.

Here endeth the lesson.

One does not have to believe in that propaganda. :O:

Not unless someone can discredit the data the current estimates are based on and come up with a more creditable estimate.

So it is 4m....how cool.

How cool...people counted in the millions, they had a face and a soul.

MH knows this. He likely had relatives that perished in the Holocaust.

OK! Thanks for info.

Extremely sad if that is in fact the case :huh:

Welcome to a historian's work.

I'm just saying that when you read enough, you get used to all the bad things you learn about. You don't need to forget nor ignore, but you need to get used to it. There is no way you can keep wallowing on it if you ever want to finish your job. Your tears are not going to bring anyone back or make you a better person. The best you can do is to treat them with the respect they deserve. And not only them, but the perpetrators as well. Your job is not to demonize them any more than they themselves deserve: a trap many hobby historians fall into, painting the world happily black and white.

And for the record, I despise the books that do nothing but present an atrocity after atrocity. That might appeal to someone's inner sadists or their need for social pornography, but I get to see those enough in the original documents that these books get written about in the first place.

they ain't that stupid. :)
article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).

Would you be more satisfied if the figure was bigger than 6 million? :doh:

I'm speechless.

wow...you are so pathetic....

How exactly does that act prevent you (or anyone else) from researching the
data available and coming up with new estimate(s)? :hmmm:

It does not.
But can the approximation of 5.2-6 million be regarded as a fact?

I mustn't answer to such provocations since I'm on probation. :03: