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Hottentot 10-28-12 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1953579)
Got my diploma 3 months ago, still can't find a job. Schools are occupied by Bachelors who see no difference between advise and advice, private companies look for economists with C2 English, Chinese and Portuguese. Having graduated from British and American Cultures and Literatures at a public university doesn't even allow me to sweep pavements.:yeah:

Case in point of what I was after in my last line above and not something that couldn't happen in here. First getting told that you are not educated enough and then getting told you are too educated. To laugh or to cry?

The problem with many university degrees is that they don't really make you anything. You won't become, say, a carpenter and then get employed as a carpenter. You will become "an expert", as kranz put it. We get fed that stuff too: "Oh sure you can find a job, you can be an expert." An expert on what? Am I going to tell people the historical backgrounds of their drinking habits?

And many buy that. I have plenty of fellow students who study "just something", according to their own words. Combinations of studies that make little sense, because they themselves don't know what they want. A good bunch of them studied Latin because "it's cool to know Latin." :doh:
Some have obviously rolled in to the university because they need 5 to 7 years to decide what they want to do in life. And the university allows that. The academic freedom is a wonderful thing, but also horrible for people who are not ready for it.

"Oh yeah, Hott, and you can do better then, huh?" Well, I hope so. That's why I'm getting, along with my major, two concrete qualifications that are required by the law to work either in a school or in a museum. I'm also acquiring work experience from both of those two fields already during my studies. If they won't work, the university degree still grants me the option to continue into the doctorate program, according to which I have chosen the subject of my master's thesis. Does this guarantee that I'll get work? No, no it doesn't. But I'll sure be more likely to get a job than an "expert" who didn't make even rudimentary plans like these.

Best of luck in finding work, kranz. The above was not meant as criticism to you, as I obviously have no idea how you studied, nor what the system and the work market is like in Poland.

JU_88 10-28-12 04:48 AM

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kraznyi_oktjabr 10-28-12 05:02 AM

Sometime ago teacher who has quite many contacts to employers said bluntly that there is nothing more useless than Master's degree if you don't have work experince. He said that employers dislike applicants who when receiving their Master's degree still do not have work experience. Many are not willing to take risk as first employer and therefore any work experience wheter as convenience store clerk or street sweeper is better than nothing.

Hottentot 10-28-12 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr (Post 1953596)
Many are not willing to take risk as first employer and therefore any work experience wheter as convenience store clerk or street sweeper is better than nothing.

While that teacher is absolutely right, here is where I'd say partially true. True because any experience is better than no experience: any proof that says you're a good guy is an advantage to you.

But at least in the case of the jobs I'm aiming at, the street sweeping is only marginally good. The museum field in Finland, for example, is so small that building a network is also important. The people working on that field know each other. If you can give them a name they know and they can call that person and ask what you are like, you are in much better position. Likewise in a school the folks don't want to know that you are the best shelf filler ever. They want a proof that you can handle that 25 - 30 adolescent pupils.

Edit: point being that especially while studying it's easy to get stuck in jobs that are not meant for you. Any job that pays your rent feels good at that moment, but if you don't aim somewhere, you probably won't hit anything either.

kraznyi_oktjabr 10-28-12 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1953604)
While that teacher is absolutely right, here is where I'd say partially true. True because any experience is better than no experience: any proof that says you're a good guy is an advantage to you.

But at least in the case of the jobs I'm aiming at, the street sweeping is only marginally good. The museum field in Finland, for example, is so small that building a network is also important. The people working on that field know each other. If you can give them a name they know and they can call that person and ask what you are like, you are in much better position. Likewise in a school the folks don't want to know that you are the best shelf filler ever. They want a proof that you can handle that 25 - 30 adolescent pupils.

Good points. Teacher's focus was more on private sector companies (where most attendees attention was) than in fields of education or - as you mentioned - in museums and other public service institutions. 'Networking' is important in most career paths and that was also way I got my first work.

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Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1953604)
Edit: point being that especially while studying it's easy to get stuck in jobs that are not meant for you. Any job that pays your rent feels good at that moment, but if you don't aim somewhere, you probably won't hit anything either.

Agreed. I current employ one student and I expect that I have to start searching new employee within 3,5 years. She is so ambitious that I doubt that I can keep her interestid of current work and better wages available won't make it any easier. :)

Bubblehead1980 10-30-12 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1953306)
Oh, speaking of economic theories that never worked...

http://i.imgur.com/YopvY.jpg

Really? Explain the unprecedented recovery in the 80's? Explain why this point in Reagan's first term, the economy was doing pretty well, Reagan owes his landslide in 84 to this and it is why obama is in such a tough race.A lot of people did well in the 80's thanks to supply side, way better than anyone has ever done with keynes idiotic theories.


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