Not looking good the bond market, so much bond debt being hidden the bubble is looking dodgy.

STEED,remember that if the EU wants to have a meeting invite them home to you, so we avoid taxpayer bill, :arrgh!:

I need two and a half more years then after my investments in that section are matured....the bubble can go BANG!!!!!! :)

I haven't got the room. :har:

It's funny how the people here make the EU responsible for everything...it's good to have a scapegoat, isn't it? Makes life easy, doesn't it?

It's new to me that the EU caused the finance crisis...has it forced countries to make debts? Oh, ah the Euro is the problem...sure...that's a good, additional, backup-scapegoat, isn't it?
Oh, U.K hasn't the Euro but indeed also has a lot of debts and economical problems...but anyways, yes the Euro is to blame, I agree...

It's new to me that people in the southern hemisphere are justified to go out to the streets and blame the EU. Please, what do you have done with all the money you got from the EU in the last decades?!?!? Was it not enough? What have other countries made of it like Ireland??? What have other non-EU countries made of their country with much less money given - like South-Korea?
When the EU made an error then it made the fatal error to give money continually with no feedback and monitoring loop...but again that was a political decision by the national leaders.

It's new to me that the EU refused to reform itself...who has fought like in Verdun in WWI for every piece of that reform to vanish...was it the EU?
No, it wasn't the EU, it was some of the elected national leaders, which have done this politics in compliance with the majority of their people...so whose fault is this ???
Ah the reason was that the reform was not good enough...you have striven for the perfect reform, which means perfect for you. The problem with this attitude is that every nation and everybody has another view of a 'perfect' reform...thus mankind invented the term 'compromise'^^ The alternative is you wait for infinity to get an solution...just fyi...

It's new to me that we live in the 80's in the 20th century. Have you realized there is a very big player, named China and other Asia states, out there? How should Europe deal with that? Perhaps each and every state should be (politically) get eaten by China sequentially..is this what you want? Do you want that this country dictate at the end indirectly social standards?

No, In the end most of the EU haters do not want to have a united Europe...that's simply it...they hide it by saying they want it but of crs not with that EU...but it would need to have this and that...blabla...sure and I wait until Christmas and Eastern are celebrated at the same day to see this happen.

@Hawk66

This area of the forum is General Topics and as such people are entitled to air their views and opinions on most topics.

Healthy debate is fine just so long as nobody resorts to insults and name calling which would mean a violation of the rules here.

I've read your post with interest and note you have done as many others, myself included, have done which is simply giving your viewpoint.

FYI I'm anti EU like so many UK people and as such, wait with anticipation for the day we pull out.

It looks to me like you are pro EU which is fine as far as I'm concerned.

Keep a cool head my friend...tis only a debate after all.

I've not insulted anybody or have used any insulting words.

Frankly, I've the impression that I need to justify myself for a minority opinion here.
I will discontinue any further political discussions from now on.