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Tribesman 08-11-12 12:44 PM

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If Ryan wants to cut Medicare, will he go along with the 5% reduction in the Defense Dept budget?
If Ryan wants to cut Medicare why did he vote for its expansion?

Bailout, bailout, more welfare, stimulus, bailout, stimulus.
Strange record for someone who is supposedly fiscally conservative:hmmm:
Could it be that he is shockingly...just another politician like all the other muppets .

eddie 08-11-12 01:05 PM

Ryan voted against the bipartisan Simpson-Bowles recommendations.

CCIP 08-11-12 02:10 PM

Stepping back from the details, it probably was a very smart choice on the part of the campaign. If they play up Ryan's role in all this, it will no doubt get the Republican core voters voting. Like him or not, he's the right guy for them.

If there's a problem to be addressed here though, it's the fact that the republican ticket is now distinctly neoconservative, with tinges of social conservative appeal (that at the same time steers clear of the gung-ho Tea Party mentality). Another election, another confirmation that neocons run the show. Not a good thing in the end.

CCIP 08-11-12 03:04 PM

Also, I couldn't help but notice the picture on BBC, where Ryan is very clearly trying to be a meme:

http://i.imgur.com/CClrx.jpg

:D

CaptainHaplo 08-11-12 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr (Post 1920375)
:hmmm: I have to dig a bit. I hadn't heard about that little detail (despite reading some pro-Team R blogs) care to provide a link?

You know what - I was wrong - they did take it up and voted it down. I was incorrect and appreciate the opportunity to correct my error.

With that said - the Congress is REQUIRED to pass a budget under Article 1 of the Constitution. The Democrats in 2008 and 2009 - when they had both the House and the Senate - failed to pass a budget. In 2010, the House changed to Republican control - and the House then passed a budget. The Senate - controlled by Team D - still refused. In fact, in 2011 Harry Reid stated that it woud be "foolish" for team D to even PROPOSE a budget in the senate.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may...udget-20110520
He also stated that it was "a waste of time" to debate or vote on a bipartisan debt bill.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-2001211/
Obviously - you can't address the debt without it being a budget bill.....

The ONLY budget put forth by anyone on Team D have been from the President - and his administration even told Team D to vote against it! Are you seriously going to call that a reasonable attempt at a budget?

The Senate has defeated their own president's budget 2 years in a row - this last one 99-0 against it - after it failed 414-0 in the house.

When he can't get his own team to give him a single vote on his proposals..... are they serious budgets? I think not....

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...-in-99-0-vote/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ts-or-do-they/

So why won't Team D actually come up with a serious budget bill?

Tribesman 08-11-12 05:37 PM

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If they play up Ryan's role in all this, it will no doubt get the Republican core voters voting. Like him or not, he's the right guy for them.
The core voters would probably vote for a corpse if it had the appropriate team letter for them.
The trick is to get the independants the swingers and the "usually can't be arsed to vote" to back them.

Platapus 08-11-12 06:17 PM

Now that he has picked his VP, I hope we will start to hear about some actual plan details on what a Romney administration will do. I get it that he is not Obama, but I need a little more than "not Obama" if he wants my vote.

I am not totally thrilled with Obama, but I am far from the point where I will vote for "anyone but Obama".

I doubt I am the only one who feels this way.

mookiemookie 08-11-12 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1920442)
If there's a problem to be addressed here though, it's the fact that the republican ticket is now distinctly neoconservative, with tinges of social conservative appeal (that at the same time steers clear of the gung-ho Tea Party mentality). Another election, another confirmation that neocons run the show. Not a good thing in the end.

The "far right" in this country is farther right than it's been in a long time, if not ever. The real Ronald Reagan (as opposed to the mythical creation that the Republicans bandy about nowadays) would be run out of today's party as a socialist liberal.

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1920520)
Now that he has picked his VP, I hope we will start to hear about some actual plan details on what a Romney administration will do. I get it that he is not Obama, but I need a little more than "not Obama" if he wants my vote.

Running on the fact that you're not the other guy is not the road to victory. Ask John Kerry about that one.

Armistead 08-11-12 08:11 PM

Romney was falling way behind in too many polls, so he pulled another Palin out, cept this one has a brain. I think the hope is to stir the base and hope moderates don't show in force for Obama like last time. I hate them both, but will never vote for an elitist like Romney, too out of touch.

Takeda Shingen 08-11-12 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1920547)
Romney was falling way behind in too many polls, so he pulled another Palin out, cept this one has a brain.

Paul Ryan is no Sarah Palin. As you pointed out, Ryan has a brain. I disagree with his stance on several issues, but he is intelligent. Romney, whether you like him or not, has run a smart campaign. Think of the McCain campaign in 2008; the wheels were starting to wobble by this point last time. He had a poor choice in running mate, a weak September and a disasterous October. Only the truly faithful believed that he could win. Romney/Ryan is different in the fact that they have a shot. I don't think that it is a very good one, but there is a shot, whereas McCain/Palin never really had a chance, despite what you may have read on GT four years ago.

Onkel Neal 08-11-12 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1920394)
What I meant was that they're perfect foils for each other. Biden's going to attack Ryan as the cold, brutal, heartless rich man who doesn't care about the middle class and is willing to dismantle our social safety net so that the 1% and corporations can get a tax break. Ryan's going to go after Biden as the big spending idealistic Democrat who can't say no to anything and is wasting and spending America into oblivion. You couldn't draw up two better caricatures of an R and a D.

:up: Well put.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/...e_blooper.html

Haha, (falsetto): called it!

Obama did the same, but he caught his mistake. Hmm... advantage Obama. :)

CaptainMattJ. 08-12-12 02:42 AM

Is it just me or are more and more people voting R just because its "not Obama"? Romney has proven himself time, and time again to be incompetent, out of touch, and a corporatist, and just because he selected a less incompetent and much better candidate than romney as his VP shouldnt outweigh the fact that romney will be in charge. unless he gets assassinated early in office its going to be 4 years going down a spiral rather than the turtle growth with obama. Obama is not the president we need, but he has in his office helped the recovery at least. Romney could potentially destroy anything accomplished in the last 4 years.

Yet people overlook romney's vast stupidity and ignorance because hes "not obama". as said by Platapus, im seeing multitudes of people who seem to be voting for romney because hes not obama, not for any ideals or goals romney may have. It baffles me how Romney could be so close to obama in the polls, considering how much of a joker and an ignorant fool Romney has portrayed himself to be. Obama is not a very strong president, indecisive, like many Democrats. But he has his mind in the right place and has done quite a bit. He certainly didnt do enough, however. It wasnt like he was going to fix the rut we were in in 4 years. But there was more he couldve done.

Obama isnt perfect. We deserve better. But the only other option is an option not even worth thinking about. and the only sensible option, someone ELSE with better leadership skills, competence, down-to-earth attitudes and intelligence, is not really an option at all, at least not this election.

Armistead 08-12-12 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1920554)
Paul Ryan is no Sarah Palin. As you pointed out, Ryan has a brain. I disagree with his stance on several issues, but he is intelligent. Romney, whether you like him or not, has run a smart campaign. Think of the McCain campaign in 2008; the wheels were starting to wobble by this point last time. He had a poor choice in running mate, a weak September and a disasterous October. Only the truly faithful believed that he could win. Romney/Ryan is different in the fact that they have a shot. I don't think that it is a very good one, but there is a shot, whereas McCain/Palin never really had a chance, despite what you may have read on GT four years ago.

I don't think they stand a chance, they're corporate elitist, jobs will fly overseas if they're elected.

Romney is in trouble and he knows it, think that's why he's pulled Ryan out, it's basically the same with McCain and Palin, try to find someone that can stir the base, it's the hail Mary pass. The electoral map by state shows Romney in severe trouble, Ryan will do nothing to secure the moderate states.

I think the Bush effect is still in place, people will see Romney as Bush. Just blows my mind the GOP can't put someone up decent because he religious right runs the party.

Platapus 08-12-12 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ. (Post 1920592)
Is it just me or are more and more people voting R just because its "not Obama"?

As I have posted before, I am asking a lot of the people I work with about this. My company is a very conservative company. I have yet to find anyone who is excited about Romney. It all comes down to either one of two choices

1. They don't want Obama
2. They just want a Republican... any Republican

But no one I have talked to so far has said that they truly feel that Romney is the best choice. Most of them say the opposite.

But that still won't mean any of them will vote for Obama.

JU_88 08-12-12 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1920242)
Response: Put the country back on a fiscally sane path.

IMO Neither Reps or Dems have been on a 'fiscally sane path' for about 30 years now. Its a non partisian issue, isnt it?, both overspend.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneym...Debt-Limit.htm

Id be cheering on the Republicans if they where actually going to make proper cuts and reduce the debt the pile, but they are not going to do that, they will just add more to it as they have always done - and the Dems do the same.
Borrow borrow borrow.
What is going to happen when Americas lenders realise they are probably not going to get their money back?


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