Expecting a politician to tell the truth is like expecting a rock to write poetry.

Wars have been fought because of lies before, and they will be again, there was a reason behind this war, and the United States got something out of it, quite what that is will only really be known in the highest offices of power, but it certainly wasn't to do with WMDs that, I quote, "can be launched within 45 minutes", that, I think we can all agree now, was bull, and the only difference between that and some other wars is that the media found out that it was bull.

The media had 69% of people believing Saddam was personally responsible for 9-11.

It's good to be a defense contractor.

Do you still think Iraq was about WMDS? Come on, its common knowledge that Bush and Blair lied though their teeth.
Sadam likley had those "WMDs" since the 80s (Possibly when we or yourselves sold them to him) they are leftovers that got missed in 1991, they are nothing, not even worthy of front page news.
I hope you arent trying to tell us that this 'find' suddenly means the full scale invasion, recent war, loss of lives and fiancial cost to our nations was all 'worth it'.
If so, shouldnt N Korea have been a bigger priority? They have Nukes after all.

^this

Well you should know what Iraq had at that time, he received it all from you and the NATO. And how we liked Saddam very much while he kept on attacking his neighbours, until he turned towards Saudi Arabia. Also Iraq and Turkey had tried to gas the Curds, along their frontiers. Is that gas a weapon of mass destruction ? I think it depends on whether you are a weapons contractor, the UN or a Marine, or an ordinary man with common sense.
Indeed i think the normal population had a more civilized life back then, than it has now. Saddam did not care about religion at all, he was a good, dependable dictator for decades, all doing business with him and sending him weapons of all kinds. Just like with Ghaddafi. Ahem.

"We were told .."
Exactly, you know people are always being told instead of thinking and making proof themselves. What about middle/south America back then :hmm2:

Now, for Iran ...

You must be kidding right?

Now they have democracy....is that good?

Right. :up:

At least no one is tortured anymore, at least not that i know of. However daily life and a civilian society will take time to be established, along with the avarage standard of living as it was before .. if those religious weirdos do not ruin it all again.

Except those poor girls who got Uday Hussein's interest.

I general I agree. I would like to point out that Iraq is mostly Shia nation (figure vary but 65% is quite common). This means that in religious point of view there is one natural ally - Iran. Besides I'm quite sure that Iraq will collapse into civil war within next 20-30 years.

Ill go to racist cultural thing:D by saying that Iraqi themselves ruin their own life.
They need to change their priorities.

But that would be racist.
I, myself, blame it on the heat in those countries. :sunny:

In a bitter sweet sort of way, I guess the question is would you like to live though almost a decade of war, in order to be able to cast a ballot?
If you have lost your livelyhood and/or home and/or loved ones, im guessing the answer is probably maybe not.

An invasion of Iraq had been on the cards since 2000 (feel free to look it up)
I do not believe for a second we went in to iraq to spread democracy or to find WMDs, those were 'excuses' not legitimate reasons.
And even if theywere, if foreign troops invaded our nations to disarm us and replace our Political leadership? How would we feel about it?
We'd be somewhere between 'outraged' and 'a bit skeptical' I imagine.

However you dress it up, its still a case 'We think our system is superior to yours. so we will force you to live like us AND! expect you to thank us for it.
Now how democratic is that? And where in the U.S consitution does it say this is acceptable?

Bottom line is, if Iraq wanted democracy, that was something they needed to do by themselves.

What exactly did the US Government supply them?

Google "United States support for Iraq during the Iran - Iraq war"
And scour through the 69,900 results until you can find a source you like.
But dont expect articals from major US main stream media outlets
(for obvious reasons)

The major superpowers (past and present) play smaller nations off against each other for their own advantage, its nothing new or surprising we have been doing it for decades. Or in our case (The UK) for centuries.

So in other words it's more foreign bull crap.

To you it is yes. :haha:
Think of it this way, any negative artical that the U.S media writes about China - is just 'foreign bull crap' to a patriotic chinese man, doesn't mean he is automatically correct though does it?.
Is that fair?