Testing the new Hull and deck with black and white texture.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...ull_Test_1.jpg

Some other schemes carried by PT boats were:
Measure 31/5P - This scheme utilized Navy Green and Ocean Green.
Measure 31/20L - This scheme combined Black, Green #2 and Green #3.

http://www.ptboatworld.com/PT_Boat_I...lorschemes.htm

The image was a quick hull-deck for looking at UVeing things.
I'll add the colors to it after the hull-deck is reworked to bring it into proper shape.

Here's a great site for details.
http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cd...ISOROOT=%2FHIC

I managed to cut together some great details on the shape of the deck and hull.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...-Details_1.jpg

This is a very low version of what I have.
That's 2198 X 1236.

Here's a site that has large scale R?C PT Bpoats, with lots of cool pics and vids that might be helpful.

http://www.franksmosquitoboathobbies.com/intro.htm

Back in the mid 90s I constructed the Dumas 1/20th scale PT-109, which measured 48in. from stem to stern.

I finished it in solid forest green which I had phoyos from in the old Webster's WWII Encyclopedia. I also had some reseach info I found that stated in the early part of the war smaller vessels usually had a basic finish of dark green or forest green as they called it. Even DDs and DEs were done in that color.

Later in the war, different camo schemes were adopted from what was stated.

Glad to see the MTBs getting an overhaul! Would be neat if the early ELCOs could be seen like MTB Sq. 3 in Manila had.

Is it planned to overhaul the ELCO in SH4 too?

Looking forward to this, even if we only see them in harbors or close to bases.

Hopefully, we (privateer or willing modder) will be able to do this with late war load outs and correct configuration. The main goal for this mod is a playable Higgins.

give me a few on that, have to find it, and you can explain how I can up load it too you, what I'll do is send you the whole boat, since it fires torps like a submarine you have too open tubes for torps to load into tubes, down side no torps leaping out of tubes, but they work and do the job, it was probably by acciedent that I got it to work. I go look now.

The Elco hull is kind of what I used in the above test pictures.

The Elco and Higgins Hulls are a close match but not perfect in several areas.

As nikimcbee (and the others involved with PT-658) want a Higgins? I want the Hull adjusted properly.
The stuff on Deck is simple but the Hull and Bridge areas make the Boat!
I spent days getting the best details to re-build the Hull.

Simple plans I found often mistake the Elco Hull with the Higgins and vis-versa.

By the way.
I did not know the 658 was slated to go to Russia but never delivered.
:o

I'll PM you my e-mail address.
You can then attach the files through the E-mail.
Is that OK?

Sounds good!

I know the trouble with the PTs, in the past, was getting the torpedoes to fire properly. Same issue plagued torpedo bombers, with dropping torpedoes, as they went all over the place, or would circle and head north.

Hope you guys get it sorted out!

The Higgins Boats would great for Medeterainian or English Channel career.

As I did research?
I found the Higgins very much over looked.
They get a glanceing spot at most PT Boat sites.
Most do the Elco to death.
:nope:

The link I posted above is a fantastic site for details of the Higgins.
But you need to cheat as I did to capture good images.

When you find a plan that addresses the area you want..........
Right click the image and select properties,

Copy the image link and paste into a new tab,

Change the scale and width/height settings in the address bar.
Scale just change to 20, width/height should both be 6000

:03:

Agreed, the ELCO boats took the glory, since they were mostly deployed in the Pacific, where the majority of the Higgins boats went to Europe, and though the Higgins boats were used in the Pacific, they weren't to the extent of the latter boats.

Great link to the Higgins boat site btw! Anytime you can find a good PT site, it's like striking gold! Not too many around these days.

One of my old customers out west was a WWII PT skipper. Really cool elderly gentleman. He said the guys didn't care for the Higgins design, as the hull design didn't perform like the ELCO did in keeping the crew dry.

As he told me, unless it was rather calm, the ride was drenching. Where the ELCO hull design was made to push water away and keep the crew dryer. Of course, in rough seas, it didn't matter.

Just glad to see some PTs getting attention!

I looked hard at the designs of both and can see why the Higgins would wet the Crew down more.


It's a slight design difference but it makes the difference as you mention.

I would expect from just foreward of mid-ship and back would be a problem area.
:hmmm:

I also did some exporting of crew bodies and AI Crew to see if scale was an issue as mentioned in the original PT Boat thread.
I found the scale a non-issue in that regard.
Scale matches so it most probably the animations available that will cause issues.

The deadline for a workable Unit that meets the basic demands is fast approaching.
Any help is most wanted!

the checks in the mail in a minute or 2 have to back out of here, to load torps go to battle stations hit time up and you might want to hit manual, auto load button, you have to fire from uzo, auto aim is best. let me walk down to the mail box

Do you remember what PT-boat he was a skipper of? Is he still around?

If I recall:oops:, the Elco was more manuverable, but the Higgins was faster. Talking to the vets, it's like chochlate ice cream and vanilla, everybody has their favorites.

Glad to see interest increasing in the project:yeah::salute:.

@Yubba
Welcome aboard and thanks for the help.