Well said.

Reminds me of the Japanese governments effort to clear Truk Lagoon of remains so it can be opened up as a dive resort. They handled it with dignity and reverence. Perhaps the same thing can be accomplished in this case.

Fair ball. I see it as a distinction without a difference however.

Where did you get that from? Every account I've read says that U-29 was in the process of attacking the fleet when Dreadnought spotted the periscope and ran her over.

Well it was U-29 which was sunk by a Dreadnought, but it had been U-9 which sunk the three cruisers. Of course, Weddigen had been commander of both.

Even if it had been defenseless and surfaced, Churchill's order was that "Shipwrecked crews [of U-boats] should be arrested or shot, whatever seems practical." A fleet being threatend by U-boats would have most probably made a ramming "more practical" :-?

This is abosluty outrageious,
I'm quite sure that ANY other country would have waged hell to prevent there war graves being scrapped. so, if its ok for the dutch to break up our wargraves, does that make it OK for me to go and break up the bismark?
I sure hope someone knocks some sense into the dutch soon.

This is absolutely outrageous, I'm quite sure that ANY other country would have waged hell to prevent there war graves being scrapped. So, if its ok for the dutch to break up our wargraves, does that make it OK for me to go and break up the bismark?
I sure hope someone knocks some sense into the dutch soon.

Well let's see, did the German government sell you the Bismark wreck?

If not then no it doesn't.

This is from wiki:hmmm:



Ah, here's the problem. I was thinking of the U-15

Sounds to me like someone didn't adjust the trim after firing quick enough... :dead:

She was rammed by Dreadnought....read the link in my earlier post :o

I meant how she broached just before Dreadnought rammed her. :03:

Rgr that :DL

Just a few points:

Which sources do you rely upon to support the accusation that the tears are 'crocodile' rather than related to genuine concern over a war grave? Or is it simply speculation on your part not backed by evidence?

The British Museum is certainly full of loot from graves. There is a name for that - archeology. If you are prepared to accuse British archeologists of being grave robbers then please extend that accusation to the providers of similar artifacts in US museums.

Could you please reference your source for the British commercial interests re the Pommern and Lutzow, both of which, as far as can be ascertained, were heavily salvaged by a GERMAN company in the 1950s and 60s?