YO DAWG! We heard TSA didn't like your purse so we put it inside another purse, so you can still carry your purse while you carry a purse.

Oh Pasha, shouldn't you be counting trees?

:har::har::har:

Can I ask... What the hell is wrong with you?

You should be better than that.
So straight back at ya..........
plonker, no deletion, its all in your mind
See that little thing between "insert image" and "wrap[CODE] tags"?
Are you having a bad day?

That does not address what was written. or what it was written about
But also that comes back and bites you at the bottom

How do you know?

Possibly, but then further down the line you get more problems so that isn't a solution.

How do you know that it wasn't the underage pregnant girl who overreacted and bought this all on herself?
It happens frequently in airports everywhere, people get uppity for no real reason and make a big scene which causes them delay then they make a scene about being delayed then go on about how unfair it is which delays them even more.

And that is a prime example of the court specifically ignoring the man who wrote the Bill Of Rights. James Madison "The Father of the Constitution", didn't want a Bill Of Rights at all, for the express reason that he believed that if he listed them some would inevitably be left out, and some lawyer down the road would say "They didn't mention that one, so it must not count." He believed that the Congressional and Executive powers listed could and would not be usurped, hence the Federal Government could never incroach on any of our rights, and that ALL rights belonged to the people, and none to the Government. He eventually let himself be persuaded by Jefferson, and by the fact that pretty much everybody else refused to sign if he didn't guarantee that he would include one.

James Madison, Federalist #84

When he did give in, he did everything he could to prevent the government from intruding on unnamed rights.

James Madison, Draft submitted to Congress

James Madison, speech introducing the Bill Of Rights

My point is that it's true that the Government does indeed have the authority (granted by us - Government per se has no "rights" at all) to create an entity to protect its citizens. In this the NTA is no different than the police department - it's there for a reason. I also agree that the NTA and other Federal Agencies have the authority to prohibit the carrying of weapons, even fake or replica weapons, on an airliner. Where I disagree is that an purse with an embossed picture of a gun qualifies, especially when even a cursory look would show that it's obvious that her finger couldn't even fit inside the trigger guard.

It was the first one that came to my head. But the point here isn't the crime, it's the implication that "She should have known better." My point is that she shouldn't have to know better.

You don't need to show me anything. As I often say, I read the Bill Of Rights as meaning one thing: I have the right to do anything I want, as long as I don't infringe anyone else's right to do exactly the same. Everything else springs from that concept.

In your country(which of course make it eminently relevant:03:) I was searched outside the terminal, then again inside before the check in, then at check in, then again through to departures then once more before actual boarding....and that was before the ATSA was enacted and there was piles of people getting far more thorough goings over than that.

@ S S.

Understand where you are coming from, and agree with some of the things you present. But the fact is, the judiciary interprets what is written down, whether or not it was intended or not by the framers.

As to personal responsibility for one's own behavior, I believe if people policed themselves and used a little common sense, we would not need a nanny state.

It's the accent, I blame the Simpsons for that. Next time wear a kilt without drawers :haha:

The accent was in my favour, like I said lots of other passengers(or potential passengers) were getting it very severe from all sorts of security.

I remember flying in South Korea during the Olympics. TSA needs to talk to the South Koreans.

I have never felt so secure but at the same time respected as when I was in the airport around the time of the Olympics.

1. Security started as you drove in to the parking lot - vehicle was sniffed and scoped.

2. All baggage was inspected roadside at the airport with sniffers and x-ray. Passenger stayed with baggage

3. Passenger escorted baggage to a secondary security screening (x-ray, sniffers and swabs. It was at this point when checked luggage left onto a third check

4. Passengers were scanned in metal detector, wanded, and patted down (two lines per sex)

5. Passengers were scanned and wanded when they got to the waiting area.

6. On the jetway, just prior to entering the aircraft, all passengers were wanded and patted down, as well was all carry on inspected.

The good part was that all this took far less time than it takes TSA and at all times everyone was treated with respect. And most importantly, every thing kept moving.

Armed teams of security with automatic weapons patrolled all the areas. and Dog teams were used.

So much security and so little inconvenience or slow down. Either hire South Korean security as trainers, or just fire TSA and hire South Korean security to do the job.

But seriously, TSA really needs to study how the South Koreans handled security. It was awesome and most importantly, professional. :up:

That is very true, and unlike some others who deride that, I also understand and accept it while still disagreeing. I'm a huge fan of John Marshall and the amazing way he outfoxed Jefferson to bring about that state of affairs.

I do agree with both your points, and where I disagree, well, there's room for that as well. It's part of what freedom is about. :sunny:

The problem with our TSA is it's a J O B. Pride and in some cases professionalism in work is out the window for the most part. Accountability means common sense goes out the window. As I was taught by an old timer when I first got on the job: treat people as you would want your own family to be treated by another officer. Yeah, I guess he plagiarized the golden rule a bit, but it made sense.

:up: More debate is needed, otherwise we will be chanting the following:

Oranges and lemons,
Say the bells of St. Clement's.

You owe me five farthings,
Say the bells of St. Martin's.

When will you pay me?
Say the bells of Old Bailey.

When I grow rich,
Say the bells of Shoreditch.

When will that be?
Say the bells of Stepney.

I do not know,
Says the great bell of Bow.

Here comes a candle to light you to bed,
And here comes a chopper to chop off your head

Fine. You're a stupid-head, and your mom dresses you funny! :O: