Of course they are yummy! But if I would be aroused anytime I see them, I would need wide pants when walking through a magazine store or watching tv.

The hypocricy lies in the fact that men think it is ok for women to show their tits as long as they have no personal connection to them.
If a topless woman walks along the main street, she is certainly aware that people look at her boobs and does with this intention. If a woman lies around naked at the beach, or in the garden she just does this, no intention of arousal there.
Yes, I know, people watch nude beach videos and wank to this, but this is not a problem. Men masturbate also to feet, clothes, shoes or other stuff - the problem is in their head, not in the equipment.

The point you miss is when a woman does this voluntarily, nobody has the right to deny it to her. Like I said, there are many fetishes out there, some ok, some strange and some very sick. I guess there are also some sickos polishing their knob while looking at women dressed in burqas.

I agree with the laughter about US television - especially that we have to thank them for the invention of the L-shaped bedsheets...:D
Wardrobe malfunction? :har: Great! Didn't know the incident was called that.
Nobody here saw the issue about the nip-slip "scandal": OMG a nipple - never saw this before.

However I came to the conclusion that this has not neccessarily anything to do with puritan morale. It is certainly one factor, as the Americans are the most religious folks in the western hemisphere - much more than the "religious" state of Israel.

But I came to the conclusion that Americans regard it completely different, in the same way like we see religion over here: keep it private and away from kids.

I am not thinking this is anything great, but just a little different than the cliche of the puritan Americans that especially many people on this side of the pond seem to like.

I've never understood the American fear of gender differences and sex. It's as though we've got this hangup about watching people make more people, but we're seemingly ambivalent, at best, with watching people make fewer people.

I understand the concept of public standards of decency; what I don't get is how they're applied seemingly at random.

There seems to be an American tradition of not looking directly at the truth: People like sexuality and sex - it's a natural part of being human. Put another way - we have to train people to use firearms well, but most can use their natural equipment for what it was intended without any kind of formal training.

Clothing was invented approximately 34,000 years ago (that we know of) for one reason, to survive the climates. To enable mankind, or their predecessors, to explore further than without. It wasn't invented because someone bit an apple when a snake told them to do so. It wasn't invented to cover parts of the body from sight, nor to tease, nor tempt, nor arouse, just protect from the environment. So why do we have to fight laws and morals just to be natural.

If my mother wanted to join in, fine - it's her business. If my wife wanted to, it's fine - I'd be proud of her taking this stand towards nature (it would go some way towards appeasing her exessive wardrobe).


And can we have Castouts comment -

placed on the quote of the year list, please? :hmmm::D



Edit: and whilst we're laughing at American TV shows - the cops/car chase ones make me laugh when they quote the speeds "almost one-hundred miles per hour", wow. Look at the M1 any day, any hour and you'll see speeds in excess of that, and not just the M1. I'm not saying it's big, or clever, but 100 mph is not astounding surely? Especially for a country renown for it's cars' straight line speed. And lack of corners/cornering. :O:

I just hope he remembers that every women in those photos and videos is someone's daughter/sister/mother.

Most of the US have a speed limit of 65-75mph (~105-120kph), so any vehicle doing 100mph+ (160kph+) is going to garner attention, especially given that the average driver has little to no experience handling a vehicle at that speed.

What you don't understand it was religion that made boobs and nakedness immoral as they made sexuality evil. The damage I see is that sexual repression leads to sexual perversions and truly deviant sexual behaviors. Many have written on this correlation and I accept it as a truth. And I have a firm belief that the sexual ethic taught in most mainstream Christian churches does not stack up with biblical revelation.

I went on several mission trips with our church in the 80/90's to Borneo, Africa, etc.. The tribes we dealt with accepted Christ, but they had their own culture...in which they all ran around totally naked. Because they were never taught sex or the naked body was evil, they don't view the naked body with sexual intent as we. Sure, they admire beauty and have sexual feelings, but a womans boobs are no more sexual than her legs or face. They actually look at the body sexually much different than we.

Imagine going to church and seeing about 100 men, women and childen all naked on their knees praying. Imagine praying yourself and looking up and seeing a butt in your face...they gave it no thought. The women in Borneo were beautiful, strange, the only ones getting aroused with sexual desire over the naked body were the white christians there from the US.

The same with sex for them, they don't view it as evil, except some rights apply to the husband, single women offer sex to you as they would a meal, they don't understand and get offended when you refuse, they simply want to give you pleasure. People had sex in the open all the time. Kids grew up watching parents have sex, just the way they live, you can't hide anything unless you wander off in the woods.

Some missions taught western biased christian values that sex was evil, the body should be covered, etc..It wasn't long the tribes that adobted these values started having issues, rape, adultery, jealously, men fighting, etc.. Women were becoming sex objects and because sex and nudity were evil, the end result was perversion. Thankfully our mission leader worked within the tribes culture, he understood their survival depended on it. Last I heard they were still there, in church still naked.

@ Growler

"...fear of gender differences..."

That right there opens this thread to so many topics, but I completely agree.

In Italy (according to my cousin there) women are generally expected to stay home and raise a family.

In America it'd almost get you sued for saying you like that idea on TV.

I once said in jocularity, "Never did this conversation occurr in pre history. 'Ugga ugga, me go food kill. You couch move.' (enter woman) 'NO! You lazy son of bitch! Me food kill! You couch move, you raptor feces!'"

I don't have a problem with women going around topless, its just breasts after all. If I had a Sister or GF who didn't mind letting others see them naked then I wouldn't either, its their body after all.

I think the main issue is that if you only see breasts while participating in sexual activity then your going to associate breasts with sexual activity.

If women walked around topless like men do then it wouldn't be an issue, everyone would be exposed to breasts and seeing them wouldn't mean getting aroused.

Basically, sexual repression.

Yeah...nice tits...great legs...:o...:oops:

Fact of the matter is, if any of the women that partake in this are remotely attractive, I will have a reaction, as would most men.

Fixed!

I've seen naked women in a similar scenarion and it's not sexually appealing! However, when I was 17 I would've have gone a bit silly about it. :yep:

This... now if the women are purposefully being sexual about it like groping themselves or something, then things might be different, but if they are just walking around topless then, whatever their topless, a bit of admiration if they are nice looking breasts then move on.

How about this... Most old men I know.

That's because of culture over generations taught us to be that way, so I agree we react that way. It's so ingrained in us. As soon as we gain sexual awareness, we're taught on one hand the boob is a sex organ. Being a sex object in our mind, it was ingrained in us by religionthat it caused so called lust in us, thus it had to be covered. Religion put all blame on women for causing men to lust. The problem is biblically lust has nothing to do with sexual desire, lust in greek means to covet, a desire to take from someone, overwhelming desire. One can lust for power or material things, nothing wrong with wanting power or wealth, but how you get it. You can lust over anything. When religion turned sexuality into evil, it placed the larger burden on women, if men had sexual desire, it was the womans fault. This created the unequality, men can go topless, women can't.

Yes, it's ingrained in me, although I'm more of a butt/leg man, but the two months I spent in Borneo, by the time I left I hardly noticed their nakedness.

Other cultures have clearly proven that when biased legalistic religious views have never been taught, they run around naked without all the perverion that would happen here if we did.