Westboro was gonna do a Iraq vet funereal here in NC. The Hells Angels showed up in mass, Westboro didn't show at all.

Do you have link to article about this? Would be nice to read.

I don't know much about Hells Angels but based on their reputation it was propably wise move from WBC not to attend.

True or not, I read it. And wrote something down.

I'm not sure I'm following the writer's logic. He goes great lenghts to explain that slavery was an institution involving whole America and that slaves were never to be emancipated and integrated into the society. Yet he doesn't seem to anywhere talk about what he states in the title: why the civil war was not about slavery, if the North wanted to abolish it and the South didn't.

He also writes what Lincoln thought about the rights of the slaves and how he was a racist and all, yet admits that Lincoln did want to change the system. So by his logic and the facts he states it seems to me North was in the war because of slavery. Wasn't the South?

Yes, I get it that he thinks South was treated unfairly by the North and that things could have been done differently. I also see that he thinks the blacks were treated bad by the North and they were happier in the South. He does insist that North did not care about the rights of the slaves, but no one has asked if the North was morally good and South was evil (on which he concentrates very emotionally). The question was if the war was about slavery or not. I don't see how he proves his argument that it wasn't.

I'm especially puzzled by this:

Quote:

The no-slavery-in-the-West platform that Lincoln ran on was merely a code word for no-Africans-in-the-West, slave or free.

Yes? So no slaves in the West. Doesn't that mean abolishing the slavery? What does Lincoln's stated racism has to do with that goal? He claims the North's motives for freeing the slaves were dubious. OK, politics is dubious and I have no reason to consider Lincoln or the North as saints.

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The South did not secede to protect slavery from a national plan of emancipation because no national political party proposed emancipation.

This is another repeated argument I don't understand. He claims South can't have opposed something that did not exist. Yet why can't the South have opposed the idea of abolishing slavery in the first place? I see abolishing a system and the fair treatment and emancipation of slaves after that as two different things.

This was interesting, though, and more what I was looking for:

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If there were indeed two sections, with such strong identities that one could be pledged against the other, why not separate them and have two distinct federations of States? The Union was morally dissolved prior to the South’s secession.

And I wish he would have talked more about it. Unfortunately he didn't.

Must look into joining...

Thank you mookiemookie but I didn't notice anything mentioned about Hells Angels in wiki article. Interesting to read anyway so thank you!

I love how you try to prove a point with such a one-sided article from a one-sided man

Religion belongs no where near politics. therefore, abortion, gay marriage, and creationism teaching laws should never exist. attacking these rights because "god hates them faggots nd' baby killers" is just as constitutionally banned as attacking those who believe it.

Im not going to get into a religious debate, so ill stick to the point. Tea-baggers are, from what ive seen them spew through their "leaders", religious nutjobs and ignorant twits.

frankly im not suprised your a tea-bagger. I mean, wanting the south to win? condemning homosexuals because they "make god cry". If the south won, you could be assured that slavery wouldve boomed for at least another Fifty years. Because while the war was started because of incompetence and politics, the ban on slavery was passed so the South, once back in the union, would not be able to recover from the war and stage another coup. Because what the south planned to do with the political power they wanted was outrageous. banning slavery was the best thing that came out of that war.

And hating homosexuals just because of your religion is one of the most idiotic things ive ever heard. Its not like they do it right there in front of everybody. They go behind closed doors to do whatever the hell they want. Because this isnt a god damned police state. this is america. who gives a DAM about what people CHOOSE to do behind closed doors. This is america, where people can do whatever they want and where forcing YOUR religion on others is prohibited.

The original instigators were, by this description, not official police, but citizens who, albeit taking the matter into their own hands, acted to prevent a "nuisance" situation. To lay this totally at the feet of local law enforcement is rather unfair. They might have done something to hasten the tow trucks, etc., but this appears to have begun as a "grass roots" action. The later activities of the police, e.g. the quasi official criminal "investigations" did cross the line; however, I still recall the at least once weekly stops made of me by the police in Los Angeles in the early to mid 70s because I always happened to meet the description of a very recent crime suspect or my vehicle met the decription of a vehicle used in the commission of a crime (I was then driving a 1967 Volvo 122S, rather uncommon), when I knew and the LAPD made very little added effort to conceal, the real reason was I was a "long-haired hippie" and a perceived easy target for them. The surprise when they realized I was a well spoken, educated, non-druggie, white-collar employee of a very large national bank with a spotless criminal record (or non-record) was amusing to behold. So, yes, I do have concerns and sympathy derived from first-hand experience of police "excess" or "over-enthusiasm", but I also find it a little difficult to extend that sympathy to those who demean the honor due to those who gave the ultimate effort in service to their country and who harass and torment the families of the fallen. Yes, the law is the law, but their are times when that blindfold on Lady Justice is more than approproiate...

Given that you just linked to a complete fruitcake as a "knowledgable source" on history perhaps you wouldn't recognise one.
So as you just linked to a tea party nut who associates himself and his "cause" with some very vile racist groups, but also for good measure can you see his link to some very nasty "religious" terrorists on his site?
Can you do anymore to possibly damage your rather scant credibilty further

That should be funny going on past form.:har::har::har::har::har:

You most certainly didn't:rotfl2:
Hey I thought you claimed you had done a paper on the woman, the woman not your "the woman".

Just out of interest young 'un, you claimed that you work three jobs in your school holidays, what are you doing going on vacation in your school holidays when you are supposed to be working so hard in the available time?

Point 1. I have been accused of ssying dozens of things that I have never said - just in this thread.

Point 2. So what if I took a 1 week vacation? Thats none of your damn business.

Point 3. What you people have seen of The Tea Party is nothing like I have seen, and I don't take my info on this from the media. I'd give you 100 bucks to go to a rally and find a nutjob within 15 minutes.

Point 4. I HATE the federal government.

Point 5. You appear to be the whacko extremist here.

Point 6. In case you haven't noticed, none of these have been points.

Point 7. I'm going to go swimming again. Also, see above.

Point 8. This is a smiley. :yeah: See above

Point 9. Ya'll need to read some of the college papers written in the midwest. See above.

Point 10. I'm typing on a cell phone. Forgive me for typos.

Here's a "source":
http://maap.columbia.edu/place/52.html

Next time do your own homework.
Many who post have retained knowledge, acquired over many years, as opposed to buying into a single "source".

"Point 3. What you people have seen of The Tea Party is nothing like I have seen, and I don't take my info on this from the media. I'd give you 100 bucks to go to a rally and find a nutjob within 15 minutes."

They used to hold signs up along a bridge I drive across every day(they stopped for some reason family vacation maybe:hmmm:) I could spot one in 15 seconds just based on the signs they are holding.Be glad you do not live in FL because you'd be putting a hundred bucks in my wallet.

" Ya'll need to read some of the college papers written in the midwest. See above."

Where they written by your friend you mentioned in the other thread that failed to get accepted to MIT and the Air Force Academy?

You are from Ohio which is the midwest mid westerns do not say "you all"(it is not "Ya'll" anyone that thinks this does not understand our dialect) people like me from the south say it.Your stereotypes of people from the southeast US is obvious.Sure we have a history but you'd be surprised how incorrect many stereotypes of southerners are.For example you said:"I love the South, where county often trumps city." that does not even make sense to be honest have you ever been to Mobile,Atlanta,Jacksonville,Dallas? Most of the Northern US is a rural as the south is there are more hunters in Pennsylvania than in most southern states.

1. I'm from Indiana, and most of my friends and relatives to say, "Yall". Not all the time, but we do.

2. I honestly wasn't counting big cities. Where I am, when you call the police, you usually get the Sheriff. It's also that way in the town I've spent some months in while working with my mother's show horses in Tennessee

3. My friend who didn't get accepted to the Air Force Academy got accepted everywhere else he applied, including Embry Riddle.

4. I was in Naples (family owned condo down here) at the time the rallies were heating up. I saw the Florida Tea Parties. Never saw anything more "radical" than a quote from John's 1st letter to the Romans about gay marriage.

Indiana is not considered part of the south you need to learn geography very badly if you think that Indiana is part of the south eastern United States.


Naples can safely be considered a colony of New York to be frankly honest not very many southerns down there mostly friendly retired Jewish couples who tend to lean away from anything Tea Partish.I bet most of the people at that Tea Party where just like you and your folks:not even from Florida or a permanent resident yet there you where claiming to represent Floridians why show up in another state that is not yours?

You say that you hate the federal government yet you want to tell others what they can do because of your religion?Ever heard of separation of church and state?

I dont really care to hear anymore stories about your friends supposed college admittance attempts I also suspect that you are lying about your friend you forgot that you previously posted that he applied at MIT but did not get accepted.

A word of advice do not choose a life of crime and if you do when you caught do not say a single word to the cops you are utterly horrible at telling stories on second thought do talk you will save the detective a large amount of stress as he will have little trouble solving the case.

You may not consider us part of the South, but we do! :D

Saw Tea Partiers in Destin as well. Are they a colony of Texas?