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And how come when a black man says that word it's socially acceptable,

It should not be acceptible. Many in the black community have stated this.

-shrug-

subsim motion: Motion to change Steed's user name to: Stigger:hmmm: , or maybe "Gordon's Pet.":O:

all vote:

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1683452)

I was also about to rant that if I had a budget of some £26m (us$42m) I would probably invest in building some real a/c, but then I came across this site http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment...for-Dambusters and found he's had ten replicas manufactured in China (so that's it then, N. Korea will be the target :D). Still, to manufacture a flying replica would have been better.

Damn how did I miss that article, good find!

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1683413)

I think it is only right that history is rewritten to prevent any possible offence.
They should follow the earlier example and call the dog Trigger instead of ******, the dog must be played by Roger Loyd Pack and must frequently call Guy Gibson "Dave".

And Trigger should fly one of the planes after the pilot is wounded. And get the girl. Girl dog, that is.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1683488)

It should not be acceptible. Many in the black community have stated this.

-shrug-

Many in the black community have also said that Nigga is acceptable, but ****** isn't.
Beats me.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1683488)

It should not be acceptible. Many in the black community have stated this.

-shrug-

The acceptability of words in a social situation should depend on the context the given word is used in, no word itself should be concidered inherently offensive.

What would Mel Brooks do?:hmmm:

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 1683499)

What would Mel Brooks do?:hmmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgxI9W_3qU

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke (Post 1683498)

The acceptability of words in a social situation should depend on the context the given word is used in, no word itself should be concidered inherently offensive.

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it is arguably the most consequential social insult in American History, though, at the same time, a word that reminds us of ***8216;the ironies and dilemmas, tragedies and glories of the American experience***8217;***8221; (Kennedy 1).

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As a black American male, the word ****** conjures up within me hate, hostility, violence, oppression, and a very shameful and unfortunate part of American History. The word symbolizes the everlasting chains of a people plagued with hate and bondage simply because of skin color. For many black people, including myself, ****** is the most pejorative word in the English language. Even when compared to racial slurs like kike, honkey, cracker, wet back, spic, jungle bunny, pod, tarbaby, and white trash, ****** is noted as the worst insult in the English language. The word ****** suggests that black people are second class citizens, ignorant and less than human.

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Should ****** be Used as a term of Endearment in the Black Community and Everywhere?
Randall Kennedy argues that the word ****** should be usable by all people as long as no one is being harmed. ***8220;There is nothing necessarily wrong with a white person saying ******, just like there is nothing necessarily wrong with a black person saying it. What should matter is the context in which the word is spoken***8221; (Kennedy 51). Here Kennedy argues that context can determine how ****** is used, and to treat the word otherwise would transform ****** into a kind of fetish. Fetish by definition means to treat something with unusual obsession or devotion.

http://wrt-intertext.syr.edu/XI/******.html

Using B2's instead of Lancasters would be rewriting history. Changing the name of a dog? Hardly...

Isn't racism part of history?
Leave the name as it is.
Maybe someone should make a movie about red tail squadron as well or maybe not?
It make look racist as well.

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke (Post 1683501)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgxI9W_3qU

That was good, it then led me to a Hitler v Darth Vader rap battle, and then the very same redone with lego :rotfl2:

@Bakkels don't joke about it, it may just come true. Okay, maybe not with B2s but there's plenty of surplus a/c out there at the minute, Aussie F111s, UK Harriers, and then there's the mothballed graveyard at Davis Monthan!!!

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1683540)

@Bakkels don't joke about it, it may just come true. Okay, maybe not with B2s but there's plenty of surplus a/c out there at the minute, Aussie F111s, UK Harriers, and then there's the mothballed graveyard at Davis Monthan!!!

How about using a Concord?
Or a space-shuttle! Well I guess that would only happen if Michael Bay were directing this movie... :haha:

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Originally Posted by Bakkels (Post 1683531)

Using B2's instead of Lancasters would be rewriting history. Changing the name of a dog? Hardly...

Yep, even changing the name of a dog is changing history!
Considering the Dog was named that.
His grave says it.
And the movie was based on a true story.

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke (Post 1683498)

The acceptability of words in a social situation should depend on the context the given word is used in, no word itself should be concidered inherently offensive.

I'm with antikristuseke on this one. It might also have something to do with historical differences. As Finland hasn't had similar minority of black people, let alone slavery in the past, the word "******", while not acceptable these days, doesn't necessarily conjure such harsh images in here either.

To give an example, I have seen some old school books and adverts that use the word. Some of them are circulating the internet too, as far as I know. There are poems, stories and "facts" that in our modern times seem weird, but were in their own era considered scientifical facts. Even from my own childhood, in the early 1990s, I remember there was a popular candy called "the ******'s kiss", which was at some point renamed to something more politically correct.

The word in here has been mostly benevolent. It was the word that was used when talking about black people. Like it or not, it is part of our history. That doesn't mean that I'm running around calling every black person ****** these days, obviously not, since it's now politically incorrect in here too. But I have also had some heated debates concerning if all the people in the 20th century were obvious racists, since they used the word on regular basis. People who think like that are doing exactly what should not be done according to majority of historians, that is, trying to impose our moral views and codes on the past and then trying to understand it based on that. It doesn't work.

Should the word be in a movie? I really don't care, I just want to see the film. It's a film: if I want to study history, I have a whole university for that and I'm doing it there daily anyway. If I got to choose, I would keep the dog's name as it was. But it doesn't ruin the film for me if it isn't.