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Madox58 04-03-11 05:10 PM

Someone burns a Book.
That gives others a right to Murder?
I don't follow the logic.

A book is nothing more then a gathering of paper.
And not all the books were burned so nothing was lost.

I say anyone that was involved in this Murderfest should be stripped of any Human rights and shot on sight.

Now if they had killed the people involved in the burning?
Then they could have a chance in 'My Court of Law'.

As much as I hate anyone burning or banning any book?
I see this action (The Murders) as a call for an extermination of those involved.
And anyone so like minded.

Buddahaid 04-03-11 07:40 PM

Not my point. My point is when you know your action will stir up violence and killings, whether it's sensible or not, you assume some responsibility for the result.

Platapus 04-03-11 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer (Post 1635166)
A book is nothing more then a gathering of paper.
And not all the books were burned so nothing was lost.

Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?

I agree with you that murder is not acceptable nor logical in this case. The people who did this are criminals and need to be treated as such.

Penguin 04-04-11 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater (Post 1634259)
Might be funny to burn a bible on YouTube and see how many Christian riots ensue.

If we call it "art" YouTube won't even delete it I bet.

Voilą: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWMsQAEfATo
From a tv documentation from 2007 about christian fundamentalists in Germany. It ran on the biggest tv channel here: the vid description calls the docu controversial - I never heard of it before - and didn't hear of any riots it caused...

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 1635246)
Not my point. My point is when you know your action will stir up violence and killings, whether it's sensible or not, you assume some responsibility for the result.

You are leaving one important aspect out: the free will and self-determination of the people themselves. It's their own decision to go monkey crap or ignore what some religious nuts do several thousand kilometers away...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1635252)
Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?

Not a bad point, as the intense feelings that people have for each thing are comparable - note: not comparing for what each of it stands for.
However most Americans have seen dozens of flag burnings in the news, yet I have seen not too many storming the embassies of the countries where the burning happened, or the UNHQ in NY... ;)
A rational man should say: "So what? You can burn a thing, but no ideas."

Factor 04-04-11 08:11 PM

All this over some redneck in Florida....

:88)

Platapus 04-04-11 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1634598)
Ok, this guy has had enough chances. We've probably gotten 50 BPR over the year he's been here, and he's been brigged several times.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/imag...keelhauled.jpg
To be sure, this loser will return with a new alias. You can spot him, he will be the brand new member who shows up in GT with troll opinions fully formed. Let us know, we can nuke him from orbit with a single click.

Good decision. As a member of this forum, I appreciate this. This guy clearly had no intention of playing nicely. He has had more "last chances" than Lindsay Lohan :D:D

Kazuaki Shimazaki II 04-04-11 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1634087)
Well having looked at your link I hope it's the entire iceberg and simply a 'one off'.

Quite frankly, the correct way to deal with this is to hand over the entire platoon (including commanding officer) to the Taliban. Of course, the Taliban would execute them and piss on their remains. The video of this should be shown publicly to make it clear that the US Army will throw you to the wolves for grossly immoral acts.

This would provide a nice existentialist reason for other troops not to make the same mistake, and would be a nice propaganda exercise for the locals to show that the US Army is not in the business of protecting its own.

Jimbuna 04-05-11 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II (Post 1636057)
Quite frankly, the correct way to deal with this is to hand over the entire platoon (including commanding officer) to the Taliban. Of course, the Taliban would execute them and piss on their remains. The video of this should be shown publicly to make it clear that the US Army will throw you to the wolves for grossly immoral acts.

This would provide a nice existentialist reason for other troops not to make the same mistake, and would be a nice propaganda exercise for the locals to show that the US Army is not in the business of protecting its own.

Somehow I just can't/don't see this happening :hmmm:

Bit of an extreme measure as well IMHO.

tater 04-05-11 01:22 PM

The asshat preacher in FL is not even culpable in these crimes.

He's an idiot, but it doesn't matter. The bad guys are the ones doing the violence, period.

If someone burned a flag at a university here (I've seen that myself), and someone murdered people over it, would anyone blame the people burning the flag for the murder? When the cross in a jar of piss art was displayed, would anyone blame the artist if Catholics somewhere on earth murdered over it? Petraeus was wrong, too in his statement. Anyone is perfectly fine to say it was a crappy thing to do if they like, but burning a book is not an acceptable excuse for murder or even assault, sorry.

That everyone expects Muslims to murder over crap like this tells a lot about Muslims, not someone torching a koran. Idiots.

Note that I don't even think burning a book is "fighting words" if they burn it right in front of you. Meet expression with expression. Muslims burn US flags all the time, the only reaction it's ever really gotten from me was laughing that one incident where the guy lit himself on fire.

Jimbuna 04-06-11 04:58 AM

^ Well said.

Buddahaid 04-06-11 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1635850)
You are leaving one important aspect out: the free will and self-determination of the people themselves. It's their own decision to go monkey crap or ignore what some religious nuts do several thousand kilometers away...

I don't think they have the same rights the west enjoys and takes for granted. Many do not have free will and the ability for self determination as the state and religion are so intermixed, also many are the uneducated poor. Still your point is valid. However, it is also like saying if you bully someone who has suicidal tendencies and they kill themselves, it's not your fault because the have free will and self determination not to do so.

TLAM Strike 04-06-11 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought (Post 1633982)
They need to play Muslims and Army Air Force, just like the Japs needed to long ago. :D

Oh the same Jap-a-nazis who after 300,000 were incinerated and 135,000 were vaporized still wanted to fight to the death until their Man-God said stop? Those Japs?
;)

I've had this discussion with my friends before, if you stick a gun in the face of a true fanatic he will say shoot.

Madox58 04-06-11 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1635252)
Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?

I could not give a crap less when the American Flag is burned.
It's a piece of cloth that is being burned after all.
You can't destroy a country by burning thier flag.
(Much as many wish they could)

Now IF ALL the Korans in the World were being burned?
I could see, and would say, they had a right to violence.

But I'd place money on the fact that the Koran is being printed faster then they can be burned!

I know for a fact the Gideons push Bibles faster then you can burn them!
:haha:

TLAM Strike 04-06-11 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer (Post 1637508)
But I'd place money on the fact that the Koran is being printed faster then they can be burned!

I know for a fact the Gideons push Bibles faster then you can burn them!
:haha:

:03:
That just means we need to increase our book burning capabilities...
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5...heit451cov.jpg
We must hire more fireman...

Freiwillige 04-06-11 10:01 PM

Yea I saw our General Punkedtreas cow towing. I mean the guys in the military may not think it was right, but they do know he has the right and that's why their in the military in the first place is to defend that right.

So I say light em if ya got em, Bibles, Koran's, Tora's or speeding tickets its irrelivant. Freedom is lost when you give up your right's so as to not offend.

I would rather be offensive and free then a slave to PC<---New slogan copyright Freiwillige inc. 2011

I think the guy's an idiot but I respect him for standing by his principles.


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