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Skybird 02-13-15 02:21 PM

Just found out the Android and PC version of the software are using the same datafile format (.ptg), so you can absolutely begin your work on tablet, and finish it on your PC, if you wish that for any reason. The PC version has some more options. You can also export in .jpg-format.

I played around with the tablet version the last couple of days, and more and more fall into love with it, the interface is so supereasy and superergonomic to adjust colour, brush size and brush characteristics (use of thinner, colour suturation and so on), that you do all this very fast, and easy, and intuitive. Most games cannot be handled as easy as this interface!

I will never be a competent painting artist, but I enjoy to do the colour dance nevertheless, and this is this layman's current attempt to make something of this app - a full manual copy of a painting by Leonid Afremov.

Some refinements and details more must be added still.

http://www11.pic-upload.de/13.02.15/i539y4dmpu8s.jpg

I traced the basic silhouettes with coal/pencil from the original, and then manually painted it, having a minicopy ofd the original on the canvas at the same time. You can with two fingertips zoom and move the "photo" of the orginal that serves as your model, and the canvas you paint on, easily, and fast. It handles so intuitive.

http://www11.pic-upload.de/13.02.15/2pjepyspr3e.jpg

I tried several drawing and painting apps since I got this tablet, and while they all worked, they also occasionally crashed or froze at times. Artrage however even under full stress so far has run stable and without even one single technical hickup. 100% reliability and stability so far!:yeah:

Man, I'm tempted to get a big touchscreen for my PC - doing this stuff not via a graphics tablet, but on a touchscreen, even 10.1 tablet-sized only, does not compare.

Dowly 02-13-15 02:43 PM

I see no reason to get this. For free department, you got GIMP, for payware you got Photoshop.
Does this support brush imports? Actions? Custom swatches?

It's a nice toy, but only a toy.

Skybird 02-13-15 03:46 PM

This is no graphics studio, this is exclusively a painting software. And this part of graphics: painting, it does extremely well, and in even greater workin detail in its PC version. It can create works of the same quality than GIMP or Adobe - but with

a.) an interface that you do not need to learn over weeks and months of collecting experience, but that is ridiculously intuitive (what you cannot tell of GIMP, Photoshpo, CoralDraw or Paint Shop Pro);

and b.) with much lower a price;

and c.) with superb technical stability.

Take it for what it is, Dowly, not for anything else, this is no photosuite or all-inclusive graphicsuite, this "only" is a painting-"simulator", to put it this way. What it does - painting - , it really excels in, and especially for using watercolours it has collected a reputation apparently of being the best for that technique on the market. I have some amateur experience especially with earlier versions of PSP and Corel Painter, and I left them behind in frustration over their complex interfaces, these are not really programs that are easy to access, and GIMP and Photoshop I gave up on even faster. Users also say that there are some details in Artrage that set it above the competition, the coklourpicker for example is preferred by not a few people. Artrage is much more accessible, cheaper and can create AT LEAST as good results regarding painting, than the others. And in the ergonomy department it leaves them all in the dust, I dare to put it that drastically. :yep:

To answer your question, Artrage 3 and 4 (on PC) support custom brushes as well as stickers. If by swatches you mean predefined colour palettes, seems to be possible, too (never tried that, never needed that, I just skimmed their forums quickly). What you mean by Actions, I do not know.

http://artrage.deviantart.com/galler...stom-Resources

Note that the Android and iPad versions are not offering the same amount of functionality like the PC versions 3, 3 Studio Pro, and 4. See comparison here:

http://www.artrage.com/product-comparison/

Needless to say that on PC the working speed of the brush also is faster than on a two year old tablet.

Do not take my amateur painting above as an example for what the limits are with Artrage! That picture shows MY limits, not that of the software. :03: I did oil only because it works best on my slow tablet, watercolour is too ressource-hungry and slows down the brush too much (Galaxy Tab 2 is below their recommended specs...) I am surprised that it nevertheless can be worked with on my tab at all.

http://www.artrage.com/artrage-4/features/

Torplexed 02-13-15 11:51 PM

I suppose there is some merit to what they say-- the first girl you fall for you’ll never forget and maybe the same is true of art programs. Photoshop was the first art software that I really learned to use. While Photoshop may not have kept up with most of its competitors in the brush and inking tools department, it more than makes up for it on the back end with its editing features. I guess it comes down to what you are comfortable with.

So, I tried hanging with Ginger, Betty and Veronica, but I keep coming back scrawling on hands and knees to Mary Anne. Whatever does (or doesn't) float your boat. :D

http://pyxis.homestead.com/MaryAnnDawnWells.jpg

Skybird 02-14-15 01:19 PM

I only want it understood that it makes no sense to compare a manual (handcrafting) painting program with a universal picture processing editor/suite. Photoshop and GIMP and Paint Shop Pro all offer manual painting tools as parts of their total packages - but none of these painting apps they feature seem to come close to Artrage when we talk about manually painting images. Software like Corel Painter or Artrage is best understood as "simulators" of real world painting, and not few people would say that Artrage is the best of this kind there is. It is superior in a.) the visual result it creates, and b.) in handling and ergonomy of the interface.

Does it feature one-click photo correction tools? No. Neon effects? Not that I know off. Warping and other artistic special effects? I think not. But why the heck should it? It is no photo processing app and no general picture editor. It is a painter, not more, not less. But this it is with all excellency.

Do you expect a racing sim to offer you the opportunity to fly planes? Would you demand Euro Truck Simulator to feature Formula One cars as well as Rally cars and GT series? Hardly. Assetto Corsa does not feature any planes, it is inferior to any flight simulator regarding flying. But as a driving simulator it is the best there is.

Artrage is a painter app. Not more, not less. And digitally simulating the act of manually painting it probably does as good as no other of the usually mentioned graphics suites. The others are generalists. Artrage is a specialist.

BTW, for PC a new version just came out, 4.5.4.

Eichhörnchen 02-16-15 01:12 PM

I do paint for a living, as you may be aware, and a friend once commented that there was software in development which would enable people to do exactly what I do but on their computers. He wasn't trying to unsettle me, but I said I wasn't too concerned as they'd never be able to produce the tactile finish of an oil or acrylic painting, which is after all one of the things which distinguishes an original from a print.

That said, these are very impressive works...

http://i.imgur.com/Uba58Zu.jpg?1

This one of mine has had some computer-retouching: I removed my signature!

(PS/ I like your album, Torplexed)

Skybird 02-16-15 04:33 PM

I have set up the manual for Artrage 4 (PC) here (LINK), so that everybody interested can get an impression about its options, possibilities and interface.

Actual software version is 4.5.4

I am using a Wacom Bamboo Fun tablet, which has a relatively simply pencil, pressure-sensitive, that's all about it. I can only imagine how the newer Intuos pencils with tilt recognition and other gimmicks work with Artrage. The software recognises them all. Using the Bamboo Tablet already is working great.

Best use of course is either a PC Win 8 system with touchscreen and painting directly on screen, or using one of Wacom's dedicated LCD graphics tablets.

Jeff-Groves 02-16-15 05:22 PM

I've been looking at this program thanks to you Skybird.
I've got a Vistablet I've been wanting to play with.
Photoshop and others are great but sometimes you want so simple it's just fun.
:yeah:

Torplexed 02-16-15 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eichhornchen (Post 2288290)
I do paint for a living, as you may be aware, and a friend once commented that there was software in development which would enable people to do exactly what I do but on their computers. He wasn't trying to unsettle me, but I said I wasn't too concerned as they'd never be able to produce the tactile finish of an oil or acrylic painting, which is after all one of the things which distinguishes an original from a print.

I do sometimes miss the world of analog painting and inking. The vivid colors and the effects of texture, the imperfections and charm of the interaction between the fibers of the paper and the pencil and ink, the feel of paper under my hand, the drag and friction of the brush along the illustration board.


However, the fumes of a poorly ventilated room full of volatile organic vapors, that I don't miss. :D Well, maybe sometimes. Is there an app for that yet?

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Toxic-Torplexed.jpg

Aktungbby 02-17-15 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eichhornchen (Post 2288290)
I do paint for a living, as you may be aware, and a friend once commented that there was software in development which would enable people to do exactly what I do but on their computers. He wasn't trying to unsettle me, but I said I wasn't too concerned as they'd never be able to produce the tactile finish of an oil or acrylic painting, which is after all one of the things which distinguishes an original from a print.

That said, these are very impressive works...

NONSENSE! Mr. Bean, .... comes up with a plan by sneaking into the gallery at night and replacing the damaged painting with a poster that he alters to make it resemble a genuine painting with egg whites and Allison's perfume....http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...r_high_res.jpg
http://pad2.whstatic.com/images/thum...-Version-3.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nson_Rowan.jpg:D :har:

Eichhörnchen 02-17-15 07:36 AM

Well there's perhaps a (whole)grain of method in Bean's madness, since egg-tempera is one of the oldest painting techniques of all; but I hope
I don't wear that same vacant expression while I'm working.

@ Torplexed: go for acrylics and those volatile vapours can be a thing of the past anyway. The prototype Spitfire is acrylic on panel, varnished, but looks very flat on a computer screen.

Sailor Steve 02-17-15 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eichhornchen (Post 2288290)
(PS/ I like your album, Torplexed)

I've collected a bunch of his stuff here.

Eichhörnchen 02-17-15 06:44 PM

Quite astonishing; is his work ever published (forgive my ignorance of Torplex's work)? To say it's original doesn't do justice...

Aktungbby 02-17-15 09:01 PM

pardon my meninas! BBY
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eichhornchen (Post 2288556)
but I hope
I don't wear that same vacant expression while I'm working.

Especially if you're in the picture too!:yeah: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ogle_Earth.jpgVelasquez: what an optical illusion!


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