:up: And even when you knew what you knew and knew that you knew it you were fairly sure it was still something else.

Only the greated American heroes lie to Congress, those who are above all law and accountability. :salute:

:doh:

The good thing there with what Steve wrote is that you don't need to go anywhere near the congress for the D "witch-hunt" you don't have to go anywhere near the "liberal" media, you can stick around the one party itself for good on the record sources where they hang the treason up for all to see.
I am sure Steve knows well enough where to find that severe condemnation of the acts as harmful to america, harmful to its allies, illegal , beneficial to its enemies, contrary to law, counter productive for American policies, corrupt........it just goes on and on and they managed that despite the destruction of evidence, the severe restrictions on scope and the limited time fame

And you just said exactly nothing. I was referring to the biased sources you heard the story from. All the evidence is circumstatial, or there would have been more done. It was a congressional witchhunt.

Why are you bothering with him Steve? You know he's just going to keep saying nothing. It's his specialty.

Evidence, please, not just rhetoric. As with my Franklin quote, both you and those you oppose you only credit your own version, and like to spout commentary without ever showing hard evidence. Accountability applies to you as well.

Because Tribesman actually gives valid arguments from time to time. It's true he sometimes doesn't, but unlike Torvald and Angus (and Bubblehead), he does actually discuss things from time to time.

Well I have yet to see one. Maybe it was disguised by his usual ration of condescension and scorn.

I always look forward to reading what Steve has to say. There's something to be said about subtlety and he does it so well. I'll take subtlety over vulgarity any day.

I love that! Going to use it myself! Sooooo true isn't it? :haha:

That is because you wouldn't recognise one if it jumped up and down in front of you with a huge sign displaying simple words in big letters while backed by an orcherstra playing the "you missed the point" concerto.:up:

Forget it, August is just a troll.

The source was republican led and republican run, so does that mean you are jumping to assumptions like MH did last week?
You should realise by now that like if you wish to criticise US foriegn policy the best source is the US State Dept. as that way people can't argue without destoying their own claims.
Likewise when the democrat led congress does its own report against a republican policy then its best to go elsewhere.

Rubbish, no one denies that arms went to Iran and no one denies that aid went to the terrorists in central America, it is plain that both were illegal.
So Steve where do you think stuff like this.....as harmful to america, harmful to its allies, illegal , beneficial to its enemies, contrary to law, counter productive for American policies, corrupt........it just goes on and on and they managed that despite the destruction of evidence, the severe restrictions on scope and the limited time fame ......can be found?

That was pretty funny. Unfortunately not true.

Tribesman: "August is just a troll."

August: "Tribesman is just a troll."

What if you're both right?

What if you're both wrong?

Name-calling is counter-productive, no matter who does it. And I've done it too.

So why didn't Reagan go to jail? Because no one could prove that he did anything worthy of trial, let alone conviction.

I don't mind the accusations, as I don't worship anybody. But your arguments to tend to be more than a little one-sided. Like the conservatives, you like to accuse the other side and defend your own, and there is little actual discussion.

Me, I don't like either side, or sides in general.

I'm right, he's not.

Al Capone only fiddled his taxes.

The arguements come from the Republican led Republican majority inquiry commisioned and accepted by the Republican President.
Are you saying my points are too pro-Republican?

Did you notice that the initial response was in criticism of people who were praising him and saying he had done all the bad stuff he was accused of and North was great for taking the blame and covering up/destroying the evidence of what had been done?

You keep coming back to the lack of a trial or conviction, that is irrelevant as all parties agree that the arms deals and aid to terrorists was illegal and that they happened.

Well, I don't remember much of Reagans time, but I have to agree with TLAM Strike and Tak, he may not have been the greatest politician of all time, or perhaps even the greatest President, but damn could he tell a tale. I'd much rather have Reagan up on the podium doing a speech than Obama, Bush (both) or Clinton, and at the end of the day, as a figurehead, that is a good part of the job. So, I would put Reagan high up the list of good presidents, but I would probably not call him the godlike figure that some people make him out to be, he's just human like the rest of us. :salute: