Bubblehead1980, what countries are you aware of that allow openly gay service members, and what issues have been seen in those militaries?

As I posted in the other thread, if the military actually followed DADT, I would not have a problem with it. Unfortunately, the military did not follow DADT and considered third party reporting as self-reporting. It was not the way DADT was supposed to work.

Since the military, or at least a large portion, choose not to follow either the letter or the spirit of DADT, I can not consider it a successful program.

So Bubble it looks like your problem with this is basicly just your own hang ups and insecurities.

[QUOTE=Bubblehead1980;1556714]That is not what DADT said"

I know that's not what they said or meant.

I was expessing my opinion how stupid the whole thing is.

If a person is willing to sacrifice their life for their country I, don't care if their pink with purple polka dots and wear a tutu on their own time.

lol wow tribes, that is a low blow. You love to get personal eh? You sir are a troll. I will not put you on ignore though, even trolls should get to say their nonsense.

No, not a hang up or insecurity, it's a real concern that I've heard people actually in the military express.I simply related a time I lived in close quarters.I wouldn't have cared that much but saying many would.Bottom line, it's better if they just don't know.

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Once more, I don't care what they do in their personal life either BUT when it comes to their military careers, should keep it to themselves.

Platapus, then instead of repeal congress should have amended the bill to exclude third party reporting if that was going on.

^^ Hear hear!

Those that cant live with it need to grow the **** up, simple as. It will not happen overnight, but if you keep forcibly closeting the gays the problem will never resolve.

It was the only possible deduction from what you wrote,
After all it does seem you have a real hang up over poofs.

And its funny that you think wilful ignorance would somehow make it better.

Yep hear hear to Firewall, well said.

How are they supposed to learn anything if they're protected from it? How is society supposed to learn if it doesn't experience these kinds of growing pains? I understand where you're coming from, but nothing gets solved if people continue to deny the reality of the world we live in.

Change is a tenacious beast -- it's always there, and there is always somebody who is afraid of it. :yep:


Absolutely.

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Once more, I don't care what they do in their personal life either BUT when it comes to their military careers, should keep it to themselves.

Is that what your daddy said about blacks serveing in WWII ?

Korean or Vietnam war too just in case your younger.

Eagles win, Ravens win, Redskins, Steelers, Giants lose... yeah, been a good football day. But I won't ask, if you don't tell.:DL

That was uncalled for Firewall.

And yet you claim to be objective? lol

First, I find it hard to believe that someone with your claimed educational background writes so poorly.

Second, since you claim to know what you're talking about, would you care to enlighten us on exactly how the healthcare mandate does violate the Constitution? LOL

Third, you keep claiming to be a centrist, yet you constantly tout the far-right party line. You need to be honest with yourself.

My claimed educational backround? Rather insulting Steve. I will admit to using spell check and going over things I write for school repeatedly, checking for errors.I usually find quite a few.Online forum, grammar does not really matter so I do not check.

How is the mandate unconstitutional? Two words: Commerce Clause. Simply put, the mandate is unconstitutional because the FEDERAL government does not have the power under said clause to force you or I to purchase anything aka engage in commerce.Simple but very valid argument.Obama and the Left knows this but they are Lefties and have no respect for the Constitution because it stands in their way since it was designed to prevent what they want, a large, powerful Federal government with unlimited powers to solve our problems, well mostly.