People having done anything but a "hate crime", already get sentenced for having committed claimed "hate crimes", so obviously something is foul here.

And even if the standards for that term would be set so high indeed - that'S why the EU states have bypassed it almost completely, by charging people over "discrimination" or "defamation". These terms are legally defined (in Europe) by the likings and wishes of people claiming to be offended, which is nothing else but lobbyistic justice. But it becomes even better. By the meaning of the new legislation, the person claiming to have been offended or having been the target of a discrimination, must not bring by any proof or substantial evidence, in order for a critical commentator being charged. But the accused must prove by evidence that what he said was no offence in itself, and was not said in an intention to defame the other.

In Western legal system, usually the burden of evidence is such that the guilt of the accused must be proven in order to sentence him, if that evidence cannot be given or shown, then the accused is supected to be innocent (in dubio pro reo).
But now, the burden of evidence has been totally reversed by 180°, now the accused is assumed guilty becasue it is claimed by hear-say that he is, and he is assumed to be guilty and will get sentenced as long as he cannot prove his innocence.

This is a legal and cultural catastrophe of absolute top first grade. It means that you can get sentenced for just being accused by somebody who does not like your opinion on religion, Islam, homosexuality. And actually, every couple of days I fetch a new piece of news in german media that again somebody is being tried to get silenced and gagged by suing him over the hate crime/defamation/offence/discrimination that he said somethign critical about Islamic migration.

Assumed guilty as long as innocence is not proven. Hear-say taken as evidence legal valid to be used in court. That are terrible new standards. That is behavior you usually only expect to see in policestates and dictatorships with an alibi-justice that is anything but just, or basing on law and order. This is totally insane, and irresponsible. One of the co-owners of the house where I have my flat, is a now retired judge. He directly compares it to the Nazi's understanding of "justice" and "laws".

This new legal rules are serving one purpose only: to criminalise all not-agreeing with Islamic migration sponsored by the EU, and to criminalise all non-compliance with Islam's claims and demands in Europe. People do not want Islam in Europe, a majority does not want it at all, so nopw they are being made to like it and not to object to it nmeverthelss. The state knows what is good for you. Be thankful. That the EU and the Islamic Arabic countries will form one big block in the near future, already is decided fact in Brussell. Now they work on destroying the freedom that would allow people to object to it, like they also deleted the freedom of the people to object to Lisbon and the EU constitution after it became clear to them leaders that the people do not follow them. Freedom only when it is in conformity with the political dogma by the leaders. If it is no supporting that (could happen if it is a free place, couldn'T it), then it is "game over" for freedom.

The indoctrination now gets more and more often started even in early childhood. The demand to have small children beeing taken out of their families even at the age of under 2 years and have them mandatorily raised by state-run kindergarten, is nothing else but this. The social core cell of the core family is a very strong institution, forming loyalties and motivations that are beyond control by the supergovernment. That'S why so much effort is being spend on trying to erode this core cell by endlessly relativising it'S meaning and status, and upgrading social constellations that have nothing to do with it. In principal it is the same pattern that already was successfully tried by the youth organisation of earlier regimes, or the Hitler Jugend in Germany. Just that it is not about loyalty to one Führer, and sitting by the campfire in the woods, but about being politically correct, featureless, spnbeless, and without a clear hierarchical understanding of what is right and what is wrong, so to prevent forming of loyalties to values that are not the officially wanted ones.

Europe is destroying itself, and most people are applauding.

Europe is becoming a dictatorship slowly but surely. And nobody seems to care. Political correctness is a self-purpose only amongst the lower ranks in the hierarchy. Somewhere up higher in that hierarchy, it is the tool to enforce wanted agendas and to realise intended policies that lead beyond PC itself. That the EU tries to destroy the traditional role modelling of "father" and "mother " ("mother" now officially brandmarked by the EU gremium making this proposal as "sexual discrimination"), also has something to do with it. They try to copy the Swiss model here, and replacxe the terms with "neuter" terms, so they call them.

Sick.

Just so I am clear, I am actually torn on this issue of "hate crime" laws, since it is subjective and gray.

In Canada, the rationale is that prosecutors will only use it in extreme cases, since the Canadian Constitution has an express garantee for "freedom of expression", but I am always wary of relying on the government's goodwill.

No. That is opinion presented as fact.

Its just bull presented by Sky.

bull

more bull

bull, every couple of days you post some more bull and make another bull claim about what it is.

True, which is why the legislation needs to be examined. The only problem with that is that sky has this fictional set of laws that no one can actually see

That is a different issue. There are many different discussions going on in this tread, which is SOP in the GT forum. :DL