That cant be true as it was discovered by the evil jewish scientists.:know:

http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

I had no idea that xenophobia was so widespread in Europe.

How is your melting pot working today?
Founding fathers must be turning in their graves.

The melting pot actually works pretty well. We only really get in trouble when people opt instead for "multiculturalism"—I'd prefer the term "balkanization."

"minority" groups are actually pretty well integrated here in the US, even Muslims are less radical here, even if a disturbing % hold very non-mainstream views.

E pluribus unum has been one of our nation's greatest strengths and, evidently, one of your greatest fears.

Must be all the foreign invasions. We have had only the one here... :hmmm:

Actually, I think it is due to the fact that the United States is a nation of immigrants. Culturally, we are more accepting of the outsider, as we are more parts of a whole than a homogeneous population. More to the point, I find the underlying message of the article and the attitude displayed by some here to be particularly disgusting. When did SubSim become a platform for overt hatred?

You might have less problems or not but its clear that you also have problems with immigration today.
The hispanics and muslims have large portions that seem to not want to integrate.

I just dont accept when these xenophobe and nazi labels start here.

I have friends with different backrounds, estonian, russian, kurd, chinese, vietnamese, nigerian.
All have have had the will to integrate to the same values but still preserve some of their own cultural heritage.

Im actually dating a woman with vietnamese backround and she is more open in voicing her concern about the problems in immigration than most.

Exactly one month before September 11, 2001, we flew into JFK from Casablanca on our way home after spending a few weeks in Morocco (we stopped for a week in CT with my parents before heading back to New Mexico). I helped a Moroccan kid (around 20 YO) with his immigration form on the plane, and even gave him my window seat so he could see NYC as we flew over. In retrospect his story about going to college in the US was suspect given he wasn't sure where he was going after he landed (mid-august if he was attending, he'd already be registered), but at the time I had no thoughts about it.

I remember saying to my wife in the customs line that it was cool that you could not tell the "US Citizens" line from the non-citizens line.

I still think this is true. That said, I think immigrants should do their level best to integrate into our society. If they fail to meet this minimal requirement, I have no real problem with treating them differently than "regular" Americans. Regular simply meaning people that are trying to be Americans—regardless of their origins.

OT to the "inbreeding" thing, obviously.

On topic, if having kids with relatives has some negative biological consequences (it does), then the fact (it is a fact) that certain muslim areas have very high rates of such births is certainly a health issue. It's obviously a cultural thing, unless the religion actually suggests it explicitly. The practice is old, and exists in other cultures, but has decreased over time. It might be that muslims tend to have not abandoned it because perhaps it is mentioned in the koran or hadith (not commanded, just a historical reality of the period of Muhammad). They culturally do have a tendency to allow stuff that was OK back in the day for that reason (look at the late date of eliminating slavery in the ME (late 1960s!).

The United States has an enormous illegal immigration problem. Personally, I think they are criminals and should be labeled as such. However, I don't believe in reverting to using eugenics to label them as sub-human.

I know many people in the US who are vociferously against ILLEGAL immigration. The press invariably broadens this to "immigration," which is a disservice to those against illegal immigration.

I'd be fine with the US border protected by "shoot to kill" orders, for example. No problem in the least. That said, I'd also be fine with letting as many mexicans immigrate as do now illegally—I just want them to fill out the bloody paperwork. That's it. Illegally crossing? I'm fine with them being killed for that. If they fill out a form so we can check that they are not criminals, etc? Let them in!

It has nothing to do with anything but vetting them properly.

The end result of what I would like? The same exact number of immigrants (minus the handful that are criminals that might get sorted out) that we get illegally, only they are here legally now.

Restrictions and laws against muslims for the preservation of culture and heritage.
That sounds exactly like the arguement put forward against the jews when introducing the nuremburg laws.
Yet obviously...........you can't see it just like Skybird doesn't see it when his writing is straight out of Mein Kampf.
Amazing isn't it:doh:



Unfortunately there is no cure for idiocy and that particular phobia is very infectious in people who don't think.

Talking about Saudi and Dubi? Yea they were forced in the 60s to outlaw it but in some areas it is still practiced (mostly in Islamic Africa). A women in the UK was just charged with enslaving a woman from Tanzania.

Wow must have changes since i last went to the US as you could easily see the difference between the two lines, one being that the line for non citizens had a sign above it saying 'aliens'

You know I have to find that statement a ironic when looked at historically. The US was actually not based on open immigration and collectively tended to resist (and hate) the immigration of other groups, first it was the non protestant non Anglo-Saxons from Europe (the Irish, Italians, French, etc) then it was the Slavic countries and the Jews, and then the Asians (particularly the Chinese), Africans, Hispanics, etc.

Every single one of these groups triggered massive amounts of paranoia, hatred, racism, violence, oppression, etc. on arrival to the US. The United States was always historically a seething cauldron of hate of outsiders, and in many ways it's still there.

Which isn't to say that other countries are much better, as it is human nature to hate and fear that which is not like you. Some countries are just a bit better at concealing it (and some don't at all).


Now as for this concept of the Muslim problem. Honestly I wish that everyone would just get along and stop trying to force each other to their way of thinking, believing, whatever. Unfortunately that does not seem to be very likely to happen any time soon.

Anyhow here is a quick summary of the points I have issues with with the overall Muslim community as a whole.

• The treatment of women. Needless to say a huge issue covering all kinds of points from forced FGM (genital mutilation), to women as property or non people.
• The general lack of denouncing radical behavior and terrorist actions from certain sections of the Muslim community. From what I've seen some Muslims strongly denounce such stuff, many seem to remain silent (or quietly support it), and the rest are strongly in favor of it.
• The colonization behavior. Large amounts of immigration + much higher birthing rates (6-10 to 1) + tendency to form large communities, gain numerical superiority, and then demand special rights like demanding sharia law = colonization.
• Proselytizing and forced conversion. I have to admit I've never much cared for religions that like to put their views in everyone else's face and actively try to convert others. Actually it has always been one of those things that really ticks me off. Needless to say I want to take a bat to the head of anyone who thinks they have the right to force others to believe what they do.
• All the stuff that has been going on in Africa, Asia, and parts of Europe. Colonizing, terrorism, forced conversion, and violence against non Muslims.
• The tendency to demand the death of and attempt to kill anyone who dares disagree or speaks out. The propensity of violent behavior towards anyone different.
• The aggressive violent behavior displayed by many young Muslims. Including honor killings, raping girls who do not dress in a way they consider proper, other violent crimes and actions, etc.
• The hate speech propagated by many Muslim clerics and others against women, the west, Jews, and non Muslims in general

I could go on and in more detail. But I think that summarizes my main issues; issues that I feel are valid based on my own observations and investigations. This isn't to say that Muslims are the only group I have issues with (I have issues with just about every country, religion, and other groupings), they just tend to be towards the top of my list as far as egregious behavior. This also does not mean that I dislike all Muslims. I have met several who are good kind people that I got along well with.