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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 1482910)

As for the UK, Tony Blair's memoirs were published today, and there hasn't been a thread made on it. Something I'm rather glad of, as I've been avoiding the news as much as I can!!!

Mike.:up:

see here (although again with a US twist :D):

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=174395

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 1482910)

Well, this is an American based forum.:03:

As a result, us Euro's do get to see the Americans on this forum put forth their views on their country's political process, arguably ad nauseum!

I imagine it's pretty sad and pathetic to watch. As a people, we are a rabid, foaming at the mouth, irrational, and polarized lot when it comes to politics.

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1482873)

Don't have to be waterboarded to know if it's torture or not.Do you know what the definition of torture is? The definition of torture is:: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure)

Water boarding only simulates drowning, it installs fear but the person is not in real danger.Pleasant? no Effective? yes torture? no

Also have to look at how waterboarding is done by the US.They strap them to a board, put a hood over their head and pour water on them.I endured worse hazing in during pledge week, give me a break.Nazi's used waterboarding but in a much more dangerous form.I do recall reading they would strap someone to a board and have it mounted in a seesaw fashion with a large tub of water at the end where the subjects head was located, would ask a question then take their weight off the board and allow the subjects head to become submerged for a period of time then bring them back out then after barely catching their breath, they were submerged again.Now I agree this is torture and puts the subject in real danger.

The US method is waterboarding light and as said, I endured worse during pledge week in my freshman year, so lets stop whining for scumbag terrorists shall we?

I don't think you can compare some college intitiation rituals with torture. During these rituals you have in mind that the "torture" is limited in duration as well as in it's intensity. As a prisoner you don't have this privilege.
If you are so sure that waterboarding is less intense than your pledge week, I can only recommend to try it out. Just make sure your head is upside down and that you cannot move. If you still say it is no torture after this, then you have my deepest respect.

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1482873)

Do you know what the definition of torture is? The definition of torture is:: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure)

You mention the primary definition while conveniently ignoring secondary definitions one of which is "Extreme anguish of body or mind."

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Water boarding only simulates drowning, it installs fear but the person is not in real danger.Pleasant? no Effective? yes torture? no

It instills fear because the subject doesn't know that he's not going to drown. In times of extreme stress the mind loses control and the subject has no real awareness of anything but extreme anguish.

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Also have to look at how waterboarding is done by the US.They strap them to a board, put a hood over their head and pour water on them.I endured worse hazing in during pledge week,

And were you at any point convinced you were indeed going to die? Student's have died during hazing, which is why certain practices are no longer allowed. If such treatment is acceptable then why are police forbidden to use the practice of holding a suspect's head underwater until he loses his breath, thus instilling the fear of drowning.

Yes, it is indeed torture.

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give me a break.

My argument isn't really with what you believe, in spirit. My argument is with your constant attitude that you know everything. As I've said before, if you know everything you have no room left to learn anything. I'm only trying to make you understand that you could be wrong.

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Nazi's used waterboarding but in a much more dangerous form...

Which is relavent how? Somebody else did something worse, so that makes it okay?

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The US method is waterboarding light and as said, I endured worse during pledge week in my freshman year, so lets stop whining for scumbag terrorists shall we?

And there's that attitude again, and that word again. I'm not whining for anyone, but if you're no better than them then what's the point?

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Yet Obamacare's most pernicious aspect is its federal funding of abortion. Pro-lifers are now compelled to have their tax dollars used to subsidize insurance plans that allow for the murder of unborn children. This is more than state-sanctioned infanticide. It violates the conscience rights of religious citizens. Traditionalists - evangelicals, Catholics, Baptists, Muslims, Orthodox Jews - have been made complicit in an abomination that goes against their deepest religious values. As the law is implemented (as in Pennsylvania) the consequences of the abortion provisions will become increasingly apparent. The result will be a cultural civil war. Pro-lifers will become deeply alienated from society; among many, a secession of the heart is taking place.

Well, isn't this a point which one could use as an argument everytime someone has a reason of conscience to disagree with the politics of the country? Pacifists could argue they get alienated by spending money for the military, enviromentalists by spending money for highways, smokers by spending money for the ATF ;)
So everyone who is unhappy with the distribution of taxes could start a "cultural civil war" - I just love this word creation...

I would be glad to decide what my taxes are used for, at least if I had some options, however I don't think it is feasible.

Is there any space left in Canada? I feel like moving after that, just to get away from idiots who would publish such garbage in a major newspaper...

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Is there any space left in Canada? I feel like moving after that, just to get away from idiots who would publish such garbage in a major newspaper...

You can have Kuhners old place as he is from Montreal.
Its not like its his first piece of garbage though , just look at some of the crazy trash he put out when he was with the Moonies.

Sillyness. Besides bush did much worse and skated by.

I read the quote on that article and OMG what a rubbish and it could get printed to the one of the largest newspaper in the country...

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1482928)

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Well, isn't this a point which one could use as an argument everytime someone has a reason of conscience to disagree with the politics of the country? Pacifists could argue they get alienated by spending money for the military, enviromentalists by spending money for highways, smokers by spending money for the ATF ;)
So everyone who is unhappy with the distribution of taxes could start a "cultural civil war" - I just love this word creation...

I would be glad to decide what my taxes are used for, at least if I had some options, however I don't think it is feasible.

They also fail to mention that abortion is a completely legal medical procedure in this country.

Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power must be wielded by a mandate from the masses! Not some farcical aquatic ceremony!

I have the same response to this that I had with the "impeach Bush" people.

Cite me the laws that President Obama/Bush broke then we can talk.

A president acting in contrary to a citizen's opinion is not an impeachable offense.

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Originally Posted by Foggy (Post 1483004)

Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power must be wielded by a mandate from the masses! Not some farcical aquatic ceremony!

Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!

Gotta love Monty Python. :haha:

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1483016)

This.