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Steve's not bullying you. If he disagrees with the content, he posts to the contrary. He does it with many long-time members, and if you read his posting history, you'll see that. He's as honest a broker as you'll find on the web, and a better man than I.

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Well, if you want to complain about me, you can PM my boss, Mr. Stevens. Links to his email and PM box are all over the place. He'll read it.

It's easy. I have a longstanding reputation here for personal honesty. If you actually show specifically what I've said that is wrong, I'll invariably aplogize. One of my favorite quotes is from the French philosopher Josef Joubert, and I seem to end up repeating it a lot:

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should be not victory, but progress."

I don't expect anybody to agree with me, and I'm wrong much more than I'm right, and I usually assume that I don't have any answers.

What I like is honest debate, and learning new things. What I don't like is dishonest debate, which usually involves making claims and refusing to back them up, dismissing claims made by ridiculing either the source or the claimant himself, and reverting to name-calling when the other tactics don't work.

If the majority disagrees with me (or one person, if he shows proper sources), I'm the first to take a step back, look at the evidence, and reassess my arguments and what I thought I knew.

If the majority disagrees with you, do you do the same, or do you talk about how you're being mistreated? I won't bring up 'Dixie' again if you don't like it, but when someone asks for specifics it's usually considered appropriate to provide them, or to admit that you might be wrong.

So please specifically show me what I said that could be considered bullying, and I'll apologize. To my mind all I thought I was doing was asking for an answer.

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But in my case you can search the forums and see it yourself. Or ask any one of a hundred people.

In your case we have only your word for it. Here we are known only by what we post, and the way we act.

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Once again you seem to be changing directions to avoid the point. This is about honesty in discussion, not generations. You need to prove yourself first. Your arguments have been totally disingenuous so far.

So now we're back to specifics versus vague accusations. Please stop trying to change the subject and show exactly how my recent posts lead to that conclusion.

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And now we're back to diversion and game-playing. Are you capable of a real discussion?

And here I just finished saying that was exactly what I don't want. All I want is for you to have a real discussion without stooping to personal attacks. Is that possible?

And I just finished saying the opposite of that as well. So, at the risk of you running back to the defensive and the "bullying" charges again: are you ever going to answer any of the arguments made against your accusations, or are you just going back to more accusations?

You've accused me of all kinds of things, but you steadfastly refuse to present facts and address arguments. Will you ever give a straight answer?

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Uh, not to interrupt, but I just had this urge to say that I have been lurking here almost daily since I registered and seen all sorts of things here in General Topics, but can't remember any other discussion making me go more :doh:.

Postwise I'm a new guy, so let's see if Sailor Steve is going to bully me too. Somehow I don't think he will. I've had years to come into the conclusion that he is a very decent fellow.

Carry on, I'll surface again in the next few years.

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OT slightly, sorry for butting in.
Just wanted to say that is an outstanding quote.
I have so many debates with people who seem to think that winning the argument is everything no matter how ludicrous their argument becomes.
Seeking the truth is more important IMHO.

That is all.

Back to the bunfight.