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Der Schoenradt 01-03-11 12:02 AM

Early Warning system for invasion
 
It seems that you left out one feature of the defenses of West Berlin that you would of course have not way of knowing about, since it was classified until recently. The allies had an early warning system that could have detected an attack on West Berlin long before it took place. There is an article about Operation Stoss, Bordkante, and other exercises and plans for the invasion of West Berlin by the WP, and according to these plans 15 minutes were needed in order to keep Berlin Brigade and allies from sending for reinforcements. In the first 15 minutes all communications and intelligence sites would need to be destroyed. Another feature of the invasion is that success depended on complete surprise....which means the Berlin Brigade would need to be engaged before it was alerted. This was nearly impossible due to the men and women who served on Teufelsberg at Field Station Berlin. Unfortunately I cannot tell you anything else about this legendary unit, since all details are classified.

Too bad I missed the conversation. I enjoyed reading all of the posts.

Freiwillige 01-03-11 01:57 AM

What fascinates me is how East Germany could become so fanatically communist after years of anti Communist propaganda under the National Socialists. Surely even in east Germany many a German had lost family in the maelstrom of the eastern front. For so many German minds to turn pro soviet has to be a propaganda coup of the century. Because many in the west remained pro Nazi although quietly years after the fall of the regime.

But back on Topic. I believe that West Berlin would have fallen quickly and would have been an acceptable loss to the west who would have far deeper issues at that point like the defense of the rest of west Germany!

Gerald 01-03-11 02:00 AM

Welcome Aboard Der Schoenradt!
 
:salute: and thanks for an interesting perspective!

Jimbuna 01-04-11 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Schoenradt (Post 1565440)
It seems that you left out one feature of the defenses of West Berlin that you would of course have not way of knowing about, since it was classified until recently. The allies had an early warning system that could have detected an attack on West Berlin long before it took place. There is an article about Operation Stoss, Bordkante, and other exercises and plans for the invasion of West Berlin by the WP, and according to these plans 15 minutes were needed in order to keep Berlin Brigade and allies from sending for reinforcements. In the first 15 minutes all communications and intelligence sites would need to be destroyed. Another feature of the invasion is that success depended on complete surprise....which means the Berlin Brigade would need to be engaged before it was alerted. This was nearly impossible due to the men and women who served on Teufelsberg at Field Station Berlin. Unfortunately I cannot tell you anything else about this legendary unit, since all details are classified.

Too bad I missed the conversation. I enjoyed reading all of the posts.

Cheers....time for further research me thinks :up:

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