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Biggles 07-04-10 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1433628)
It looks like Sweden are going for a downsized professional and extremely well equipped armed force, similar to what we have in Britain (the professional bit anyway LOL), but on a much smaller scale.

Yup. My social studies teacher summed it up like this:

Any country that is strong enough to attack Sweden is strong enough to occupy us, and they will 99% of the tries. The Swedish military is not exactly designed to fight a defensive war they can't win, but rather stop the war before it comes here. Attacking Sweden will almost certainly result in heavy casualties for the attacker, which begs the question, is it really worth it? The potential enemy won't attack if knowing that they will lose more than they gain.

Jimbuna 07-04-10 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggles (Post 1435129)
Yup. My social studies teacher summed it up like this:

Any country that is strong enough to attack Sweden is strong enough to occupy us, and they will 99% of the tries. The Swedish military is not exactly designed to fight a defensive war they can't win, but rather stop the war before it comes here. Attacking Sweden will almost certainly result in heavy casualties for the attacker, which begs the question, is it really worth it? The potential enemy won't attack if knowing that they will lose more than they gain.

I hope that theory is never put to the test....I doubt it will anyway :up:

OneToughHerring 07-04-10 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1435146)
I hope that theory is never put to the test....I doubt it will anyway :up:

Sweden has the best Finnish military in the world.

Gerald 07-04-10 12:08 PM

Most unlikely...
 
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1435149)
Sweden has the best Finnish military in the world.

I'cant support this statment.

OneToughHerring 07-04-10 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1435155)
I'cant support this statment.

Oh really? Why are Finns forced to speak Swedish? Why do Swedes have their own tax paid universities and schools in Finland? Also look at the map, what is the buffer zone called between Sweden and Russia? That's right, Finland.

TLAM Strike 07-04-10 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1435157)
Also look at the map, what is the buffer zone called between Sweden and Russia?

The Baltic Sea? :O:

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1435056)
It's interesting how the Swedes usually play all peace-lovin' goody good except when it comes to the arms trade. I guess those Swedish peace-weapons need to be sold too.

In honor of the holiday I would like to thank to the Swedes for those "Peace-Weapons"! They most certainly helped maintain our independence. :salute:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5...gusshornet.jpg

Swedish designed 40mm Bofors AA guns on USS Hornet CV-12 during Task Force 58's February 1945 raid on Japan.


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Originally Posted by Biggles (Post 1435129)
Yup. My social studies teacher summed it up like this:

Any country that is strong enough to attack Sweden is strong enough to occupy us, and they will 99% of the tries. The Swedish military is not exactly designed to fight a defensive war they can't win, but rather stop the war before it comes here. Attacking Sweden will almost certainly result in heavy casualties for the attacker, which begs the question, is it really worth it? The potential enemy won't attack if knowing that they will lose more than they gain.

I recall reading once that the only reason the Axis considered invading Sweden was the ore (In the even Sweden stopped selling to Germany). They realized that mining crews are just as good as combat engineers at their job and would simply destroy every mine in the country were German to invade making the invasion moot.

OneToughHerring 07-04-10 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1435161)
Swedish designed 40mm Bofors AA guns on USS Hornet CV-12 during Task Force 58's February 1945 raid on Japan.

They also sold weapons to places such as apartheid - era South Africa.

I see you skipped the language - issue.

TLAM Strike 07-04-10 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1435162)
They also sold weapons to places such as apartheid - era South Africa.

I see you skipped the language - issue.

34th Rule of Acquisition. :yep:

If they weren't going to get their A-Bomb parts from Sweden they were going to get them Israel (They did both). If not from them then from Taiwan/India/Nkor/etc........

During that time SA was the worlds 10th largest arms manufacture. Notice you didn't mention THAT!

Gerald 07-04-10 12:50 PM

Of course...
 
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1435056)
It's interesting how the Swedes usually play all peace-lovin' goody good except when it comes to the arms trade. I guess those Swedish peace-weapons need to be sold too.

I'ts better to trade Armament Technology to country in safe reason.You playing with peace-loving term,woh wan't war,not Sweden anyway!

OneToughHerring 07-04-10 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1435178)
34th Rule of Acquisition. :yep:

If they weren't going to get their A-Bomb parts from Sweden they were going to get them Israel (They did both). If not from them then from Taiwan/India/Nkor/etc........

During that time SA was the worlds 10th largest arms manufacture. Notice you didn't mention THAT!

They also sold weapons to Israel, Iran and lots of other nations

Btw doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't have a problem with them selling weapons to apartheid era South Africa.

Still ducking the language question. I know it's difficult for you Americans to fathom that the nice, cute Swedes have been forcing Finns to speak their useless language for decades.

Biggles 07-04-10 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1435161)


I recall reading once that the only reason the Axis considered invading Sweden was the ore (In the even Sweden stopped selling to Germany). They realized that mining crews are just as good as combat engineers at their job and would simply destroy every mine in the country were German to invade making the invasion moot.

Exactly. If they'd invaded us, we'd blown up the ore mines, and any other thing they might find handy, so they would just lose men, material and time capturing a country that won't give anything in return.

Jimbuna 07-04-10 02:07 PM

Hey guys, why do you keep feeding the troll.....not many people do these days.

I'm sure he'll find a contradiction in that somewhere :nope:

TLAM Strike 07-04-10 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1435225)
They also sold weapons to Israel, Iran and lots of other nations

Btw doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't have a problem with them selling weapons to apartheid era South Africa.

Depends on whats being sold. When the ranges become intercontinental I start to care.

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Still ducking the language question. I know it's difficult for you Americans to fathom that the nice, cute Swedes have been forcing Finns to speak their useless language for decades.
Didn't know, don't care. Don't want to speak Swedish any more have your state/province/city school boards vote to remove it from the curriculum.

OneToughHerring 07-04-10 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1435248)
Depends on whats being sold. When the ranges become intercontinental I start to care.

You don't care about civilians being killed etc. with small arms? It's actually pretty rare to use ICBM's etc. so they could actually said to be 'safer' that way.

The language issue is a nation wide issue. Either everybody speaks it or nobody, no way of individual schools to break from the norm.

TLAM Strike 07-04-10 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1435256)
You don't care about civilians being killed etc. with small arms? It's actually pretty rare to use ICBM's etc. so they could actually said to be 'safer' that way.

Troops with small arms can be defended against by civilians with some smarts. Explosives can be made out of fertilizers, chemical weapons out of cleaning products or pesticides, people in prisons have manufactured firearms.

If the locals can't to figure out how to make a weapons drop these leaflets on them. The US dropped pamphlets like these on Nicaragua.

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The language issue is a state wide issue. Either everybody speaks it or nobody, no way of individual schools to break from the norm.
Why does everyone or no one need to speak it? Spanish and French were taught in the school I went to. It was mandatory to take one of those classes or a class that features a language other than English credit (I took a computer programing course which taught BASIC for my language credit)

When I said School board I meant whatever regional school administration you have. For example where I live we have the NY State Board of Education that set the minimum standards to graduate. Its standards are different from the Texas School Board.


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