It was not my point, i didn`t even mentioned any country in particular but if your arguments ends up this way its speaks for itself.

where do you come up with such drivel?

Israel is a very secular society. Women have as much freedom there as women in north america or western europe.

If you are so worried about the status of women, maybe you should focus on the treatment of women in muslim countries.

Well in Finland you can notice the moral decline in girls and young women.

Large number of them drink, smoke and party in a way that doesnt interest any man interested in a serious relationship.

They are in all social groups, university students seem to have a lot of time to drink especially.

Other common features.

They dont know how to use money responsibly or budget even a month beforehand.

They cant cook.

They cant clean.



Now i can personally say that any of these features doesnt make me start to consider a relationship with a woman.
In my opinion there is nothing more important in a womans life than to be a good mother to her children.

But in the future we will have a lot more of smoking female alcoholics that cant manage their daily lifes let alone children.

But what can you expect when they all love looking from TV and movies how 50yrs old single women mess their life in New York.:dead:

Depends on many things. Police in many cases in favor of Arabs, now who control the police? That your answer. Thats not mean however that my country follows sharia law or something like that. You can find Arab woman in my city who have a good look because they don`t suffer from a lack of sun.:sunny:

As i sad, my point was an education and not nationality or religious fanaticism. This is what destroys the values of life and self respect, and someone will pay a heavy price for it. Saturday first, Sunday next :D.... GOOOD JOB :yeah:

That's how I think about it:up:
But even then, I know nobody who shows their private parts on internet. There are girls like that, but it isn't part of todays culture.

(to be honest, the use of the word "filled up" is quite disturbing here:o)
:O:

I don't even know a single girl who's been beaten up by her partner.
I can assure you, it isn't seen as tough or "real man" behaviour.

well, since you're specifically talking about party-going and alcohol loving girls, it shows that I know what I'm talking about.
(also, it was an attempt to bring a little humour into the thread. If you don't get it, your problem)

Whuh?! What in Odin's name does the jihad have to do with this:-?

Well you claim all these things to be normal aspects of todays youth culture. While they clearly aren't aspects of todays Western European youth culture. So you're either plainly wrong, or the Western European youth culture differs from the Israelian youth culture.

Well personally I like the girls who are the heaviest drinkers and party-goers best.

aye:DL
What's better than some good old drinking:yeah:

So why does it by definition have to be a woman doing these things? Can't a man do it all just as well?
Also, you can always learn cooking and cleaning.

But there's a difference between college life and being a parent. Sure, nowadays students drink and party and what not more, but that doesn't make us "smoking alcoholics".
I and my friends are heavy drinkers and party goers, and most of my friends smoke the occasional weed, but none of us is an addict in any way, and we all can be very responsible if needed.

Only men should be allowed drink and smoke. Obviously.

We're allowed to have declining morals (I think it's an astronomical term). They're not.

On yer back, love. Children required.

I was referring to mainstream jewish women, not israeli arabs or orthodox jews.

Aye! On yer way to the kitchen love!
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You said, that girls throw their babies into the gutter. So I asked whether this is the case where you live because it is not the case in Europe. So where do you see this happening?

I have no patient for this, i`am sorry. If you wanna play yes no game seek out Avon.

What do you mean by yes no game?
I just asked where does it frequently happen that teenage girls are killing their babies?
You claimed this would happen, did you not?

So in other words you refuse to give any arguments for what you're stating?

You might be thinking of this one, commonly attributed to Plato.
Unfortunately there is not verification that I could find that it is any older than the early twentieth century. Still, it is fairly evident that the decline of morals in youth has always been a complaint of their elders.

While it is true that elders always complain about the lacking morals of younger generations and seemingly we have survived, you must admit that sometimes things get so low, that they need to be reset. In the past, it might have been limited (to my knowledge, I may be wrong), to a certain strata of society (usually the rich one), with enough left to balance things out (today its every single group, the distinction being how expensive a drink or party you can afford). Nowadays, go take a walk by Ljubljanica in the summer (or any time frankly). While this would be unthinkable in the past, there are alcohol cans and empty wine bottles everywhere. I feel pity for the poor worker who needs to clean it up every single day.

I understand that some of us may be old-fashioned and might overreact slightly to certain events, yet there is a sociologically perceived point where things can no longer move forward, as too big a part of the population can no longer be bothered to do anything. I've said in my previous post, I'm not sure 1% of the youth today is willing or even capable to take on the challenge of ensuring further survival and development. And those who do are usually sociopaths, power-seeking, money grabbing little bastards making life horrible for everyone. And the rest keep on partying like there is no tomorrow. There are two problems are perceive, and are in a way problems of humans in general. First is the inability to look or even be willing to consider the future, when things might change and ambrosia might not be as freely available as today. The second is social responsibility, both towards the members of your local community and mankind in general. Although I'll be first to admit I live more than a life of luxury (being middle class is more than I need) and am spoiled in certain regards, I'll also be the first one to point out that there are others who are not as lucky and on whose back, most probably, our fortune was built.

Add to all of this the inherent willingness of the legislators to pass a law on every damned thing, which is impossible. Laws must by definition be absolute, or leave very little room for manoeuvre, as otherwise they would be ineffective. Society on the other hand knows of not absolutes, nothing is black and white and everything is grey. Going back to my first post, I spoke about corporeal punishment of children. While it is required for law to protect the weak, in this case, a child from parental abuse (beating the child senseless), I do not accept that it take away from me a form of punishment that works, has worked since time immemorial and leaves little mental scarring. Sometimes, locking you kid in a room or taking away his toys just doesn't cut it. Sometimes they do not listen and then come out with "I have rights, you cannot touch me" routine. If the state wishes to raise my child, let them. But as long as I must take care of him, feed him, cloth him and try to prepare him for the cruel world that is out there, the permissiveness of today's western society should be put into question, while trying not to return to the old extremes of men being the rulers of life of both their wives (partners in order to be fair to homosexuals) and children.

It is a complex question, which requires a complex solution. The best thing is to step back, take a good look and try to solve this without the system of law (from either local, regional, state or supranational level) interfering with every minimal choice in a person's life.