I said that I based it on my belief. Everybody should be aware that pirated PC game copys outnumber legal game copies, by a whole bunch. Henceforth, I tossed up an arbitrary percentage of 65, and my poll submitted a rather conservative percentage of 60. No fabrication, based on fact, and when you do your research you may yourself become enlightened. The population of Subsim contains the same genre of players that exist everywhere.

Hahaha love the 'new coke' reference.

If Ubisoft is trying to appeal to -casual/non subsim players- I would laugh a hardy laugh. It's a submarine simulator that requires a mid to high range PC to run...

If you made a Venn diagram for the demographics that involves, it would be a segment so small it would be a microscopic section of the overall PC gaming community.

If someone has crunched the numbers however, how much money would it take to ostracize your fans?

OK so let me get this straight... You base your statement on your belief but have not shown any proof that supports that belief.

You then go on to admit that the statistic was arbitrary 65% or 60% dependong on where you are posting, but that arbitrary number is based on fact, not fabrication.

I also hardly think the genre of players has any impact on their inclination towards or against piracy.

Now you want me to do some research to become enlightened?:doh:

You are the one accusing 65% of Subsimmers of playing SH with pirated disks. Back your accusation up or shut up!

I stated my belief based on true marketing statistics, and hearsay, and opinion. It is now time for you to go have whatever you drink early morning down under. :salute:

This is really a nasty accusation, which deserves some proof. Otherwise, it's just wrong and bad taste.:nope:

Exactly!

I don't mince words. If I have something to say about a subject, I say it. I'm not out here to win friends or look for support. I do not sit quietly passive in a corner with the heard for fear of repercussions. I may be controversial, but if you all take off the blinders and acknowledge the truth you will come to the same conservative viewpoint.

so, your conservative viewpoint is the viewpoint of one who took off the blinders, and can see some sort of "pure truth"?

That right?

Makes me laugh...

It's true that money is needed to assure a future to the game.

Yet, is that a reason to give money, whatever Ubi comes up with? I don't think so.

I don't believe it's a lack of "tolerance" from me. I purchased SH2, SH3, SH4 + its expansion as from day 1. But I don't find it healthy to always buy, whatever happens, just for the hope of more hypothetical games of quality, and of the genre you want (simulation? More casual? etc) in the future. That would be sending a wrong message, I think.

I can see that there are people respectfully disagreeing with me. Fine. However everyone that has posted here SHOULD KNOW and BELIEVE that more pirated copys get played than legal copys. Having said that, how can one believe that Subsim contains more saints than elsewhere? The probability that there are more than 40% virgins here is a fairy tale.

What are your sources to come up with such statistics?

It's an opinion, since you said "I believe", but still, it must come from somewhere. If not, well, you know what it's worth.

EDIT you answered earlier:
I stated my belief based on true marketing statistics, and hearsay, and opinion. It is now time for you to go have whatever you drink early morning down under.

True market statistics (any link, so we can check how they came up with those figures?)? I doubt that there are such "true" market statistics. But let's imagine there are such ones.
Here is my own opinion: I believe people here are, in average, fans of the genre, much more dedicated than the average player, and true supporters. Then I wouldn't risk to make a link between a general figure, and the situation with the players here on this forum. But there weren't any study to back either your opinion or mine with figures.

Maybe this game is adressed to a little different group of players than we are:
- Wow dad, what this is?
- This is german U-Boat son.
- Woooow!
Looks like our impact on this game is marginal and UBI don't care so much about this what peoples say on this forum today, so where is the problem?:yawn:

Well, of course, while ever you quote hearsay, opinion and arbitrary figures plucked from the air as FACT, you're going to cop flack. Provide some concrete evidence, figures, Subsim user statistics, and then perhaps your argument may have credibility. Otherwise, FAIL! :nope::down:

BTW, 78.732% of Subsim members agree with me on this.

I usually don't do this but sir... please apply brain!