I took a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Texas

Surprised again, I thought Texas was a Republican bastion...

Well I've learnt something today. :DL

I guess I have a lot to learn about how politics works in the U.S. :hmmm:

There's nothing wrong with showing pride in ones beliefs or ethnicity.

The problem is that the minorities are given a green light, while the majorities are given a red light and given a PC label with an "ist" or "ism" tacked on for effect.

There was a gay guy running for office in The Netherlands who was assasinated.
Fact is, had I been dutch, I would have voted for him for his political stances, regardless of his sexual preferences.

You may find this a bit enlightening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

Truth in exposing the double standard of the "tolerence" and PC croud. Write on (double meaning intended).

This is not a big deal. Just another day in politics and realty of the USA. There are many gays and lesbians that are productive members of society. You will find gays in lesbians in every part of the working world.

Just in case no one caught that, that was sort of a joke. You know, Texans elected a gay woman because the only alternative was a black man...humor...eh? Probably not as funny as the voices in my head made it sound... :88)

How can you take pride in something that you had nothing to do with. You do not choose your ethnicity, it is something you are born with. Personally only take pride in my achievements.
White pride is just as silly as black pride or yellow pride etc. in my book.

well, i laughed :rotfl2:

They aren't terrible people. The fact that they are homosexual has as much to do with us, collectivly, as it does with them.

Homosexuality in animals (4 legged as well as 2 legged) can be brought about by overpopulation. It's one of natures ways of trying to control the birth rate.

Do you take pride in your country?

No. Nor do I feel ashamed by my nationality.

Antikristuseke sees it right, I think. You can take pride only in some kind of personal acchievement or performance. A skill you learned. A deed you did. A consequence you caused.

But being proud of living under a blue sky? Or being proud of being born in this country instead of another? - Or being proud of having this skin colour, and not another, or this sexual orientation and not another? where'S your personal acchievement in that quality you are porud of? You did not even contribute to it! Hell, you even did not get asked!

You can prefer this over that, and you can like or dislike to be this or that, or to stay here or there. You can love it and find it pleasant, or not. But being proud? Maybe parents can be proud of the acchievements of their offspring, because their educational success may be reflected in their children'S records, and thus: their investement/contribution. But I already have a problem when it is the other way around and the offspring says he is proud of his father/mother. My father was a classic musician. They said he did well on his instrument. Am I proud of him for having been member of a big famous orchestra? No. It was his acchievement, not mine, and I did not assist him in it. But I love him for being like that, and i love him for having been part of some great music being performed. But love is not the same like pride.

And then a principle thing, since it is often mistaken: pride, and honour, are two different things. What is it many moral systems and religions have to say on pride? They usually do not rate pride as a virtue, but a sin, don't they. I wouldn't go that far, but I prefer honour over pride any day.

so to come back to your question, I used to like living in Germany, because of it's landscape that I like more than most others i have seen in the world, the security and comfort it provides (different to some other nations I have seen) , and the access to medical help that you have (unknown in some countries), if needed. But proud of all that - I am not, because I did not make Germany to be that way.

Well of course they are not terrible people. But I need to qualify that because there are some that are terrible. But this goes hand and hand with hetersexuals as well. Concerning your last sentence and natures way of control birth rate, can you elaborate on this?

Thanks,

Altough interesting, it's a bit weird, they seem to crossover..

Pride:
Source - The New Oxford American Dictionary.

A feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired. (The team was bursting with pride after recording a sensational victory. - A woman who takes great pride in her appearance.)

The consciousness of one's own dignity. (He swallowed his pride and asked for help.)

The quality of having an excessively high opinion of oneself or ones importance. (The sin of pride.)

A person or thing that is the object or source of a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction. (The swimming pool is the pride of the community.) {End quote from Oxford}.

Pride can and does go far beyond self achievement.

A definition that catches a widespread populistic understanding of the term, but I very strongly disagree with it's correctness.

wikipedia:

Quote:

Pride

As ex-psychologist I especially agree with Wikipedia's entry on pride in psychological understanding:


The reference to oneself, one's own view of oneself, one's own merits, is dominant in these explanations. While they mention nation in one sentence, nevertheless I question the justification for that. at least one has to base national pride on one's own role in giving the nation the status one is proud of. Just having won this and no other ticket in the birth lottery is not enough to explain national pride. And where oyu are refering to be porud on your role in that nation'S fate, you again refer - to yourself and your personal role, merit contribution.

If you do not play any role in forming your nation, you have no cause to be proud to be of that nationality. and that can be said of ethnicity, social groups and whatever else, too.