[quote=Méo;1212349]The problem is not his opinion or that he has no interest in SH5 the problem is that he got interest in bothering us.
Alas another commander to fall folly of verbal miscomuinication, or just plain gripes from ducimus. (1) posted a thread, NOT a serious one was just curious too see responses, Ducimus did not read the op thread wording properly, he decided to disect all the negative after i reponded to a few sharp cheeky remarks, totaly changed ,swayed the thread, thus resulting in debate and bad mannered exchanges. (2) Was suprised by a few other here names to quickly follow suit but perhaps they did not read the starting post!! of wording, Meo its called deceased crew members about three quaters down main page, please read it. (3) these forums are set for opinions, for us to unite, discuss, etc but does one deserve to be severley insulted ?? Watch the way it turned from me asking a simple OFF THE RECORD, INDIRECT question to be ripped into by band wagon jumping hull eating piranahs. if its not seriously intended then it sure will end up serious. When i served in elite reg i done some crappy things, but now on civvie street i could be getting haunted by some skinny spotty faced youth sitting at a screen with burger and pepsi, issuing petty insults or remarks, if only i could jump into this screen, but hey thats life. and my 2 cents worth :yeah:

Or an Insomniac with a cup of herbal tea, who incidently just cleaned up the cats sick (again) she pukes up furballs every two weeks so it seems.... :nope: cat food already stinks, but regurgitated catfood is 10x worse.
I will have baby in 3 months to add to the fun - so maybe its good practice :doh:

Sorry im rambling...

rumbling or swinging a double edged sword? as for the herbal tea aye ur up late man, good luck with the baby lol ive got 2, or is it sh5 ur new baby:hmmm:

Ever hear of a little acronym called, ITG?

aye, loads= Internet Tough Guy, or Into The Groove, perhaps Isralie T Grp . etc take from it what u may see when it comes tae u i dont give a f..k pal ur a waste of space, ur comments ara all ill mannered noo go chase yerself, av been nice now a dont want to even chat wae u any more and if any ur wee bum bashers want to pipe up let them, if nothing constuctive to say at all to posts or threads then beat it!!

You know, if you don't want miscommunication, you really need to improve on your communication skills. Most of the time i can't understand half the crap you write because your grammar is so poor. Scotland's national language is English, yes?

So again, lets cut to the chase here rather then play stupid forum games. You have an axe to grind with me. Yeah fine, i can see that.. So you posted some idea, asking for opinions, and as i recall, i gave a negative one, albiet in a somewhat polite manner at first. You got pissy and pushed for opinons, and as i recall, i gave you an unvarnished opinion after that. (don't ask for it if you don't want it) I do not recall resorting to namecalling, which you apparently do quite often. If you want to go locking horns with some dillweed like myself on messageboards, that is not the way to go about it.

Now then, that brings us to the present. I don't know what the intent of your post here is, other then to grind an axe with me, but i'll tell you this. If your trying to impress or intimidate me with your service in "elite reg", whatever dude. I did my own stint in the military and don't give a rats ass. But to the point, that kind of grab at intimidation or respect is so freaking common on messageboards, as to merit it's own acronym. ITG. You just qualified. Congrats Mr ITG.

So if you want to keep playing forum games tell you think you got the last word in, fine. I'll play along. The more you push me, the more i'll push back. I'm stubborn that way. Don't like what i have to say? That's what the ignore button is for.

chuckles ;)

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Children, children, surely you don't want a lump of coal do you?

So behave yourself. I'm checking the list twice you know.

I don't want to turn the whole thing here into a debate, i just want to clarify my point of view, cause you're someone i respect a lot here.

Everyone can have their opinion, of course, but...

It seems to me like basic respect that anyone who dislike SH5 not to come to the SH5 forum and bother us with repeated negative comments. Isn't it basic respect??


Example: I got interest in hockey but really got no interest in american football, do i go in the NFL 2009 thread in GT and tell them their sport is ******* ****???

Another: I really hate World of Warcraft, do i go in their forums and tell them their game is ******* ***???


BTW, i bought SH4 when it came out and really didn't like it, i don't know it was just.... i think you know what i mean.

And i agree with Neal that as a community we should support every game when it comes out (don't remember exactly but he already said something like that)

But when i see such comments it tends to change my mind...

When it will be time for a new PTO, will i be willing to support it? :hmmm:

You are kidding right? Ducimus has contributed more to this community than you ever will. He has every right to post his quite valid opinions here. You, however, seem to get your goat up everytime someone posts something that you don't agree with. Seems that whenever there is a complaint/flamewar/bait, your name is near the start of it. :hmmm: You seem to have a knack for p!ssing off people (Sevrin ring any bells?).

What we don't need here are righteous backseat moderators dictating who can do what...leave that job to the real moderators. :up:

I was just about to point that out. Love TMO even tho at first I didn't play the PTO for the same type of political and historical reasons why Dulcimus doesn't want to play the ATO (not that I'm comparing the WW2 US side with the Axis... god no :oops:). Plus, on this thread he only replied to my "I don't understand why you guys use Das Boot as a warning sign" question. And I agree completely with his answer and especially his post about how working on a big project goes.

But what I can remind to both him and JScones is that making wolfpacks and torpedo shooting PT boats doesn't involve the entire dev team. By the time the demo was showed, the game was pretty much complete. Now part of the team works on polishing up the game, doing things that they know they can finish such as flooding, regardless of what we spam or ask on this forum. The other part has the unfortunate task of implementing NEW things on this last stretch before release. Just that we now get confirmation of eye-candy features doesn't mean that the devs have been wasting time :haha:, or that time could've been better spent. As a side note, those PT boats annoy me as hell already. Giving them torpedoes would turn them into the Cliff Racers of Morrowind. :arrgh!:

This new SH5 section of the forum has been lots of fun in the beginning, I was literally glued to the screen, but rapidly went sour after the Subsim Meeting. New info is scarce, new demands are pointless and rants pick off poor Markus's soup way too often. As far as I'm concerned, the direction of the game has been already set in place a long time ago, and as I've said, I'm happy with it and can't wait to see the finished game. And the rest is modding, which I hope Dulcimus will get involved in (even though he doesn't want to play, he can still make life hard for us Nazies by modding the US fleet) :up:.

C'mon, the soup already has icon status. In 20 years time, SH5 will undoubtedly be remembered for its soup in much the same way that AotD is remembered for its nightclub. Future subsimmers will be demanding soup included just for that "retro feel". Now that's a legacy. :up:

Anyway, yes, you and I both know that stating demands now--or even a few months ago--is pointless...but if people stopped doing so, or stopped speculating, what would the moderators be left to do? :rotfl2:

I've no doubt that we'll still be reading "I want to see..." posts right up to the day of release.

It will be interesting to see just what effect on the eye candy and game funcionality all the requests and speculation in the threads has had, if any.

We will not know that until the time of release though :hmmm:

Look who's talking...

I already said that i don't want to turn the whole thing here into a debate.

I think i clearly set my point of view, it was about his REPEATED negative comments, not the person.

He already said that he is not interested and that he's not gonna buy SH5, i don't see how can he contribute to the game. :hmmm:

Edit:

I admit i got impatient but i never made personal attacks to Ducimus and he never did to me, if he ever changes his mind and wants to contribute to SHV, he will be more than welcome. :up:

Just for the record, since Meo seems to be pushing the PTO vs ATO thing.

I played SH3 for im guessing at least 2 years.
- I came up with (i think) the original type 21 battery recharge fix.
- I figured out how to change flotilla's and bases around.
- i did the original bit on creating a monsun boat flotilla in the indian ocean
- i scripted traffic for the Carribean and Indian ocean.
- I helped figure out how Sensors worked at a time when nobody was sure about it.
- and yes, though we have our differences now, but at one point i was on the GWX team when GWX first made the transition from TGW to GWX.

So as the uboat/ATO scene goes. Been there, done that, been around the block, and did something. I did all that, and the ATO/Uboat scene wasn't even the theater i wanted.

After that, i took to Sh4. And here i'd note now that the first group of people to fire shots on the forum were hardcore ATO fans who were crying that SH4 was a PTO game. I never forgot that, particuarlly after putting time in a theater i didn't want to begin with. Now as Sh4 goes, to say that RFB and TMO saved Sh4 out of the frying pan would probably be citing the obvious. Now this might be a wild boast, but it's entirely possible that indirectly, i (and the RFB guys) did quite a bit to help support the continuation of the series by moving our supermods to SH4 version 1.5. If past forum posts are any indicator, then many people are/were buying UBM who wouldn't have otherwise as a result. UBM was, i think, an attempt to squeeze more money out of the series in order to finance future projects. I don't know if all of this is true, but it's a hunch i've had.

Now that i have the choice of my preffered theater, why would i move? I have thought about trying to mod a PTO game out of SH5, but it occurs to me that such an endeavor is ultimatly, pissing in the wind due to interior changes alone. What am i going to do, mod a gato with a german crew and all type 9 interior? (nevermind i stuck a german type 9 radio room into a fleet boat interior. :88) ) The changes are too vast, so there's no point in it unless Ubi releases an addon pack. Hence, my passing interest in SH5. Am I upset that SH5 is going back to the ATO? Sure. If you waited 12 years for you preferred theater and get tossed a buggy POS, and then have it abandoned, how would you feel about it?