yes they did

the only thing thats the same is the subject matter (u-boats)

I don't know what all the worrying is about. I'm guessing 9 out of 10 people who post in this forum is going to end up buying the game regardless.
Besides that, its not like you really have a choice if you want a more modern WW2 submarine sim.

:yep:

I hate shiv. The ships just look like cardboard made.

With sh3 i get the real feeling that i am at sea. And the ships
are marvelous.

I hope sh5 will give me the same feeling as sh3 does.

Eh? The ships in SHIV look alot better than those in SH3, partly because they have more detailed 3d / higher poly count and also because they have Lightmaps.
If anything SH3s ships look like boxy cardboard by todays standards
:rotfl2:

SH3 is far better than SH4 in almost all aspects IMO, I have tried em both, with many attempts to like SH4 but SH3 is a clear winner, no offense JU_88, as I said IMO.:yep:

I go with JU 88 on this one.

i'm with java's revenge - sh3 feels much better game and captures the feeling of being at much sea more.

No offence taken -its a mixed bag TBH :O:

I do agree that in terms of the enviroment, something about SH3s Visuals look cleaner and more convincing than an unmodded SHIV (which seems a bit gloomy and oppressive somehow.) Also the draw distance for all objects and the terrain was a big let down in SH4.

But, for the visuals on the actual Units, SHIV wins hands down IMHO, if you compare the T3 tanker from SH3 to the one form SH4, i think you'll agree there is no contest :DL

Overall i'd say that while Sh3 is clearly showing its age, SH4 is not.

I will give both their own merits. SH3 does give the gloomy feeling of the cold winter Atlantic...modded of course. SH4 on its merit after some modding does provide a bright blue Pacific we see in pictures. One has to admit the clear water and seeing the ships hull beneath the water is quite cool. Know what, someone made a mod of SH3 colors for SH4. It was a very cool mod and brought the SH3 gloomy Atlantic feeling to SH4 :03:

i have to say the sh5 winter screenshots look fantastic but if i remember rightly didn't sh4 look good in the screenshots but poor when it was running - thats what i'm concerned about. Also the lack of interaction and feedback from the crew in sh4 - very poor and a step backwards from sh3. true if they start with the old engine and fix it, there's less to test and 6 months isn't very long. also the lack of feedback from the subsim meet could mean either there wasn't anything to shout about or they aren't allowed to. unless i missed the news of course...

Something for everybody. That is the best way. As far as SH3 and SH4 I think that everyone has their preferences and tastes. SH4 took a lot of massaging and prodding but it now delivers the goods not only in PTO but ATO, is it perfect, hell no, none of these products ever are. There will always be critics but remember for every critic there are hundreds of users that are out merrily enjoying their patrols.

As for SH5, looking forward to it as another chapter in this great genre opens and it will be awesome from all that we have seen and heard already.

I quite second that... And I can't remember having heard so much after the subsim meeting (why invite people from a public forum to see something, if it's to forbid them to speak on the forum? :hmmm:)

I agree kapitan zur see. Why?

Aye, it'll probably be SHIV with even more bloated graphics and a crapload of new bugs. Back to the friggin' Pacman then :arrgh!: