the first really major piece of mud thrown within the timeframe you mention was Watergate, and Republican Nixon. The next major coup was Republican Reagan arranging a secret hostage deal with Iran to crush Carter. Next, Iran/Contra was not a mudball thrown by the Democrats - but a mudball resulting from the secret weapons deals that the Republican-owned White House must have known of, and the massive selling of drugs in the US with assistance by the CIA (so that the Contras got an income to pay for the US weapons). And then there were the court-callings and voting irregularities during Republican Bush junior'S two elections, and the treason of the republican government to start the long-before wanted Iraq war. - Some of these things imo border to high treason against the nation - maybe not by the word of the law, but by moral assessment and content.

Compared to that, the democratic presidents' misdemeanors of that timeframe are almost cosmetic in nature. Kennedy and Ford and the engagement in Vietnam cannot be counted here. It may be seen as a misled policy, a questionable political assessement and strategy - but no intentional cheating.

Eisenhower with his farewell speech - I often wondered if he really knew how tragically visionary he was.

Not since, say...the last President? :haha:

Honestly, how can the people who foamed at the mouth over every move Bush made not see the parallel?

Because they are hypocrites mostly imo.

Oh, but that works nicely in both directions.
All those who couldn't hear the whining about Bush anymore are now the ones waging a crusade against Obama for each and every decision he makes.;)

We have a saying in my country: "Payback is a b*tch". It's what worries me more than anything else because unless it is stopped it has the power tear the country apart.

At least thats how its portrayed. Once again the mainstream media gets it wrong.

They are trying their best to make this a race issue when it is not but it doesent matter because it helps to divert attention from the real issue.

Oh the irony...it hurts.... :har::haha:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/polit...y/1373035.html

question is: where does he work now? anywhere?

i promise you that if i were to be fired today - i would have a sutiable replacement job by the end of the week.

most likely with medical and dental benefits.

the problem with folks who get laid off from a plant job in St. Louis - many of them sit in St. Louis twiddling their thumbs.

when the normal thing to do is to move someplace where there is work.

but what if you dont have a single dime????

yard sale.

sell off everything you own that you dont need and get out of the town which is host to a dried up local economy.

the money you raise should be enough to buy enough gas to get you well into the next state or two.

First off for most people it just isn't that easy to pick up and move like that. What about family responsibilities? Should an out of work guy just abandon his aged parents or worse, his wife and kids and go off and seek his fortune elsewhere?

Second, not everyone as marketable as you. Even if they hit the road an over 50 former factory worker would not have an easy time picking up a job in normal times, let alone in this economy.

Finally if everyone followed your advice then guess what would happen to the availability of jobs in the areas they move to?

I think while some movement of workers to jobs isn't a problem the last thing we want is to have huge masses of increasingly desperate out of work people traveling around the country chasing phantom job rumors, ala the Great Depression.

Everything in there - including the conclusions of the comentator - is the total truth. In Germany, it is by far not as bad as it seems to be in Canada - but it's deteriorating and the underlying problems are the same. Also, the bottom line the guy draws is totally correct and reality here as well: With a state-run healthcare program, the "rich" people (doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc) will end up enjoying private health insurance, while the other people cannot afford it and must rely on a state-run system and PAY for it REGARDLESS if it works or not (or to what degree). Total truth. And it is also true that these days there are considerations to move AWAY from that system, because the state has difficulties with keeping it running. Until now however, moving "away" from it only means things like when you visit a public doctor these days, for the visit - which you already paid for with your mandatory social contributions into the public healthcare system - you also have to put down an extra 10 EUR cash now. That's healthcare reform, government style. I think you also have to partly pay for some drugs by yourself now, but I'm not sure about that, since I rarely ever visit a doc. Frankly, when I really need a drug, I just go to the local apothecary and pay 100% by myself, because I can't be arsed to visit the doc at ridiculous hours when normal people have to work, just to wait for hours and possibly get infected with all kinds of viruses flying around there, just to get some painkillers or whatever.

I always have to laugh when people tell me how great we have it with our state-run health-care system while in ruthlessly capitalist America people are dieing in the streets because they have no state-run health care. Right.

Well, I get the impression that those who are whining the most that Obama is put under pressure now are those who were chastising Bush for 8 years the loudest.

That is why it goes in both directions.;)

Agreed. It would be nice to have a debate about the issue without all the hyperbole, both the delusional noise we were bombarded with from the left about Bush = Hitler and now the screeching from the right that Obama = Marx.

I doubt that will ever happen, what with the fact that the vast majority of people have decided that it's better to simply be told what to think rather than thinking for themselves.

I suppose some people view it as much easier to pick their leaders abdicate all thinking to said leaders.