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nikimcbee 06-28-09 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1125377)
That sound you can hear is rugby players laughing at you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDTIiGSEYs

The haka alone makes rugby better than American football. Coolest thing in all of sports.

I don't know what that was, but here are some real hits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OMG-epMCFA

Buddahaid 06-28-09 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1125377)
That sound you can hear is rugby players laughing at you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDTIiGSEYs

The haka alone makes rugby better than American football. Coolest thing in all of sports.

Through their toothless gobs. :har: Looks like there are no rules but get the ball.

Buddahaid

Max2147 06-28-09 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 1125406)
I don't know what that was, but here are some real hits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OMG-epMCFA

2 minutes in they show a replay.

Rugby is actually a wonderfully simple game. You can throw the ball backwards, and you can kick it forwards. If you get tackled you have to let go of the ball.

Scoring is basically the same as American football. A "try" is basically the same as a touchdown, and a "drop goal" is basically the same as a field goal. However, unlike a field goal the drop goal doesn't come off a set play, you can just try to kick one whenever you want. In that clip South Africa tries for a drop goal, but they miss. The crowd are unhappy because they wanted South Africa to keep pushing for the try.

Play only stops for scores, balls going out of bounds, and penalties. As you could see in that video, they don't even stop play for injuries. The South African player was knocked out cold in the middle of the field, and they just kept playing on around him while the medics ran on and tended to him.

I've played both games. Rugby is way more fun.

Max2147 06-28-09 10:25 PM

I should note that the US has a national rugby team too. They're not that good, but they're improving.

In the last World Cup (2007) they were playing South Africa, the eventual winners. South Africa won comfortably, but the US turned a lot of heads with a magnificent try late in the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWtBTvCDjX4

The player on the far left of the South African line was Bryan Habana, one of the best players in the world. Facing him was the unknown young American Takudzwa Ngwenya. Habana was widely regarded as the fastest player in world rugby, at least before this game.

Onkel Neal 06-28-09 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak (Post 1125370)
Uhm, me wonders why such "protection hazard suits" are not necessary in rugby. I don't think the guys playing rugby are "thin sized human beings". :D

There really is a saying which I think is fundamentally true, americans love sports were it is possibile to score a lot. You can score tens of points in baseball, american football, hockey, basketball not so in soccer. So soccer is kind of relegated to a minor sports. If by a miracle the US won the next world championship it wouldn't do anything to make this sports popular.
Right now its only popular with girls, isn't soccer mom a term invented by americans by the way ? :03:

Seriously, you don't understand the difference between rugby and football.

goldorak 06-28-09 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1125495)
Seriously, you don't understand the difference between rugby and football.

The only thing that changes is how the players are taken down.
American football is much more violent and therefore requires helmets, protections and so on.
It has nothing to do with and I quote you :

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You line up against a 250 lb mass of muscle that can run 40 yards in 4.5 seconds and you'll need the "protection suit", too.
Since rugby players go against the same kind of adversaries.


The game strategy between american football and rugby is different of course, but the fundamental change is that the former sport is much more violent (maybe americans like it that way, maybe its more spectacular ? ) than rugby.

:shucks:

Ps: just look at the kind of tackles american football players are subject to, and compare that to tackles in rugby.

Max2147 06-29-09 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1125495)
Seriously, you don't understand the difference between rugby and football.

I don't think the differences in football really require pads. The biggest reason to have pads in football is that the other guy has them. A football helmet is just as much an offensive weapon as a protective device.

And anyways, besides a few feeble attempts by Hawaii, football doesn't have this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB3xVZaBDtE

Aramike 06-29-09 01:33 AM

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I don't think the differences in football really require pads. The biggest reason to have pads in football is that the other guy has them. A football helmet is just as much an offensive weapon as a protective device.
That's completely incorrect. Any player attempting to use a helmet as an "offensive weapon" will find their necks snapped pretty quickly.

The main reason for the helmet is simple: look at your average football tackle and pay close attention to the head. In many, if not most, cases once the player is down momentum carries his head into the ground.

American football is a game of intense collision, moreso than Rugby. Nearly every player on the field makes contact with someone on every play, and that facilitates the need for protection.

OneToughHerring 06-29-09 01:45 AM

Pretty good stuff from the US, maybe now football/soccer will be seen there too as the truly global sport it is.

I've wondered why US hasn't really taken part in traditional British sports like rugby, cricket, etc. I guess US wants to break apart mentally from the image of it still being Britains underling.

Schroeder 06-29-09 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1125517)
That's completely incorrect. Any player attempting to use a helmet as an "offensive weapon" will find their necks snapped pretty quickly.

Hmm, did you watch Niki's video? Most of those "hardest hits" were carried out using the helmet as a weapon. :hmm2:

goldorak 06-29-09 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1125521)
Pretty good stuff from the US, maybe now football/soccer will be seen there too as the truly global sport it is.

I've wondered why US hasn't really taken part in traditional British sports like rugby, cricket, etc. I guess US wants to break apart mentally from the image of it still being Britains underling.

I think it has more to do with the "not invented here" syndrome. :D

Dowly 06-29-09 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by goldorak (Post 1125324)
You mean those guys wearing protection suits carrying a ball in their hands and being struck down like bowling pins ? :haha:
Yep football does suck, soccer on the other hand rules. :rock:

Soccer is football to me. Or do you see that much footwork in the other football? :03:

Anywho, they both suck. Football (SOCCER) is boring as hell and full of crybabies who "break their leg" if the opponent as much as sneezes at them (dont worry, they'll be in perfect condition 10sec later).

The american football is just... well what's the darn point of it?! It's just stupid. :yep:

OneToughHerring 06-29-09 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by goldorak (Post 1125542)
I think it has more to do with the "not invented here" syndrome. :D

Yes, could be.

Btw, you Italians have one pretty violent sport, a kind of 'football'. Calcio Fiorentino is the name I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUdOF...eature=related

They don't just fight, they also play a game which is reminiscent of rugby, only MORE violent. :)

Kratos 06-29-09 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1125543)
Soccer is football to me. Or do you see that much footwork in the other football? :03:

Anywho, they both suck. Football (SOCCER) is boring as hell and full of crybabies who "break their leg" if the opponent as much as sneezes at them (dont worry, they'll be in perfect condition 10sec later).

The american football is just... well what's the darn point of it?! It's just stupid. :yep:

I suppose ice hockeys much the same....put a crash helmet on and a well padded strip, then give em a 6' hooked stick and let em knock the living crap out of each other. dont see the point in that :O:

Fincuan 06-29-09 05:02 AM

Some of the football "injuries" might look like acting to the outside, but trust me the speed of professional-level games make it certain that pretty much every contact hurts, even if it didn't look that bad on the tape. Feet are naturally the most vulnerable. Often it's impossible to judge how badly you're hurt right after a rough contact. It might hurt like hell at first, and when it at that point you go down instinctively. If it's not a big one, like bones broken or such, then the pain usually subsides(or adrenaline takes over) enough so that you can continue playing. After-match and the next morning are another story then(trust me, if you break your thumb and toe don't continue, you'll regret if afterwards) :haha:


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