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peabody 04-01-09 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklin Van Valkenburg (Post 1075516)
I see the developer's reasoning behind not showing this event, but I'd show it because of this is supposed to be a WWII simulation, you'd need to include all its events. It would be like cutting out Pearl Harbor if the game started before December 7th, 1941. I'd show it because that's what happened... we need to be reminded... and we should not forget or be sheltered from the reality of history.

And as you no doubt noticed, the game does NOT start before December 7th. Maybe the same reason they don't have an A-Bomb?

Peabody

Madox58 04-01-09 10:04 PM

Your Game doesn't.
My Game does.

FIREWALL 04-01-09 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer (Post 1076273)
Your Game doesn't.
My Game does.


So does mine. The modders need to get together and make a Chicken Little mod for SH3 and SH4. Garenteed to be PC. :haha:

rcjonessnp175 04-01-09 11:13 PM

I agree with what firewall has said, this is a sim, a sim of the biggest war known to man, the most violent and the most important, if you cant handle certain realistic realities in present day or in history then dont download a mod that may prove a problem for you.
In regards to chicken little would be awesome to help escort the carrier group into position and watch the daring takeoff of the b25s, may not be pure historic fact or what not but still.

One last comment, people well society tends to forget very quickly the attacks that out country has endured never forget:salute:

Jonesy

peabody 04-01-09 11:24 PM

Well, mine does not start before Dec 7. I don't know what all the Chicken Little was about, but all I was pointing out is the developers didn't put in certain things. And maybe for a reason. If you are trying to sell a sim which is a small market to start with, you need to be careful about stepping on toes. Otherwise you have shelves full of unsold games. I was not giving an opinion one way or the other what should be in the game.

Peabody

rcjonessnp175 04-01-09 11:35 PM

Its an unfortunate reality that political correctness has infiltrated every domain of entertainment.:damn:

Rockin Robbins 04-02-09 05:34 AM

I think the reasoning has more to do with deciding what is a wise use of resources. Do they spend their time dropping an irrelevant to submarine operations piece of eye candy on Hiroshima or programming the cutie into the game. Mount Fuji or better wave action for exterior views? Are they going to create a hundred different types of target that the average player will never see?

What's the average computer going to be able to do running the game? Will they have to set graphics settings so far back the particles won't be visible anyway? Will they do the macho thing and turn the particles up to maximum and watch their computer freeze for fifteen minutes when their computer is nuked at Hiroshima?

Does it add to the gameplay experience? Do we have the time to do it? What will it do to game performance? Those, much more than political correctness, are likely to have been the questions that resulted in a lack of Hiroshima and Fuji in our game.

Sexy conspiracy theories are fun but most often have very little to do with reality.

Soundman 04-02-09 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins (Post 1076397)
I think the reasoning has more to do with deciding what is a wise use of resources. Do they spend their time dropping an irrelevant to submarine operations piece of eye candy on Hiroshima or programming the cutie into the game. Mount Fuji or better wave action for exterior views? Are they going to create a hundred different types of target that the average player will never see?

What's the average computer going to be able to do running the game? Will they have to set graphics settings so far back the particles won't be visible anyway? Will they do the macho thing and turn the particles up to maximum and watch their computer freeze for fifteen minutes when their computer is nuked at Hiroshima?

Does it add to the gameplay experience? Do we have the time to do it? What will it do to game performance? Those, much more than political correctness, are likely to have been the questions that resulted in a lack of Hiroshima and Fuji in our game.

Sexy conspiracy theories are fun but most often have very little to do with reality.

Well said. :up:

SteamWake 04-02-09 03:07 PM

I dont know, its a submarine game I believe that the developers put time and effort into the naval aspects of the game.

If some modder wants to pour hundreds of hours into simulating an event that lasted minutes (visually speaking) more power to them.

Id rather see efforts on things like seperate engine controls and the like.

Now when I played a modern day stealth bomber game the un-availabilty of nuclear ordinance was bothersome.

Rockin Robbins 04-02-09 05:38 PM

Well you've hit on the flipside of what I said. I'm convinced they made decisions to leave some things for modders to work out. Before the release of SH4UBM they said as much and asked us what we needed them to do that was hardcoded and what we would like to have left to us. Overwhelmingly we said fix the hardcoded stuff and leave the eyecandy and even some of the functionality to the modders, so long as the solution is able to be modded. They did a great job!

Soundman 04-02-09 06:06 PM

Let me say if someone would enjoy watching a simulated bomb going off, more power to them, just not my cup'O'tea. I have nothing against it, I just don't understand the reward. We already know what it looks like from watching actual films, how is watching it simulated here going to look better than watching the real thing? This might be a different story if we're talking flight sims, but this has absolutely nothing to do with submarine simulation. I just don't get it, but to each his own, what ever floats your boat :haha: (pun intended). I suppose someone who served in a real sub might not get the SH4 experience either! :hmmm:

Madox58 04-02-09 11:05 PM

Actually?
It should be a Yes or No answer.
:haha:

All the rest is opinion.
Read the first post.
"Has anyone get close enough to see Little Boy fall in Hiroshima on August 6th 1945?"
:hmmm:
:haha:

rubenandthejets 04-02-09 11:14 PM

Problem is getting close enough to see if it does or doesnt happen means getting past Ol' Bungo Pete and about a zillion search planes with about 2 inches under the keel the whole time.

For the sake of my crew (and my own skin ) I'll just hear about it on the radio.

MonTana_Prussian 04-02-09 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubenandthejets (Post 1076945)
Problem is getting close enough to see if it does or doesnt happen means getting past Ol' Bungo Pete and about a zillion search planes with about 2 inches under the keel the whole time.

For the sake of my crew (and my own skin ) I'll just hear about it on the radio.

I'm with you on this one! It's bad enough when you have orders to go in there,let alone a sightseeing tour:88)

Torplexed 04-03-09 01:17 AM

Has anyone determined if the months of conventional and then firebombing attacks on Japan with B-29s that preceded the A-bomb are even simulated? A lot of subs had to pull lifeguard duty for those raids and the US carrier strikes on the Inland Sea so it'd make more sense to include them.


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