Do YOUR research. Hawaii's statute 338, for children born out of the country having the ability to legally obtain a birth certificate, was not enacted until 1982. Since Obama was born in 1961, his parents could have not under any circumstances gotten a birth certificate if he was in fact born in Kenya as some claim.

Some don't. Here's a copy of a short-form birth certificate:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Shortform.gif

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Don't waste your breath (or maybe fingertips would be a better expression), August. There's nothing you can do to convince him that anyone who didn't vote for the Obamameister isn't a racist.

I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt I was.

Yep, my bad, I should have, too. Just the whole tone of the remark (especially the second sentence) led me to that conclusion.

Don't be silly , my kids may have a hospital listed but I don't and only one of my brothers has , though two of my aunts were brought out in hospital so would be listed .
Now I might say its a generational thing .....if it were not for the numbers of home births still nowadays

Don't be silly , my kids may have a hospital listed but I don't and only one of my brothers has , though two of my aunts were brought out in hospital so would be listed .
Now I might say its a generational thing .....if it were not for the numbers of home births nowadays

That may be but Irish regulations on the subject could easily be totally different than those of the State of Hawaii.

How would a home birth be verified, anyway? If there were no doctor present, who would testify as to the birth location. The parent would be the only one who could (unless witnesses were available). The existence of a birth certificate doesn't certify the birth location unless you're born in a hospital and a doctor attests to the birth.

Not that it matters, anyway.

Who said all those people was born in Ireland under Irish regulations .
Its not far off 200 years with the backs and forths that my family became yanks and then Irish again and then yanks then Irish an....still ongoing.
Birth in a hospital dn't mean ****all , but it does come in handy for paperwork ......unless the institution goes.

Nobody has to be a racist for this to be completely true.

Not me. AFAIK you're an riddle wrapped up in an enigma. But TBH I have my doubts your location is accurate.

I object! :haha:

If you took the word white out of the sentence, I'd believe your statement, but the inclusion of the race in the original statement makes it an accusation of racism, IMO.

No, it really doesn't. The simple fact is this: If Obama was a white man named john smith, no one would ever even begin to consider that he might not be an American citizen. Because Obama has an exotic sounding name and is a different color than every other President in the history of our country, those are the only reasons this has become a topic. That's not just people calling other people racist! thats a fact!


I can't speak for anyone else here, so I can't tell you if that post was meant to call anyone a racist. Personally, I don't think it was, and I don't see how you can assume it was, given that no one has to be racist for that statement to be %100 true.

Imo :)

[quote=Enigma]I disagree. Obamas origin has become a issue because there was some legitimate question about it. There was an opening in his armor to explore and exploit. After all, what other Presidential candidate in modern times has had a foreign national for a father? What other candidate in modern times has held dual citizenship and has spent so many of his childhood years overseas?

Now personally I don't give much credence to the whole idea, but be that as it may, whatever issue a candidate can potentially be attacked on, you can guarantee someone in the political opposition will attempt to use it against him. Race has nothing to do with it.