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Hey Neon, I'm not in the mood for a large debate with essays on guns deterring crime, but there are plenty. If you feel like researching it, the best places to look are where there were once guns, and then analyze exactly what happened when they were taken away. Look at the before and after crime statistics. Its quite shocking actually.

Another place to look to read up on it is the criminals themselves. The biggest fear they have when breaking and entering for example is an armed homeowner. Many documented cases where this question has been act of the actual perpetrator themselves.

Look! now you've got me writing more than one paragraph! Way more than I planned to do! Ugghh... Being sucked in.....

-S

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I love how CNN implies that you can buy a bazooka at a gun shop.

Well, that can be inferred if that's what you're looking for.

Being well familiar with CNN's normal anti-gun stance I figure the inference is intentional. Notice also how they infer those 6,600 gun shops within 100 miles of the border are involved in running guns to Mexico.

This is very true. CNN has a widely known anti-gun stance BTW. Always have. Another thing, CNN's parent company has a large stake owner named Hillary Clinton who is well known for voicing her opinion on the issue as well.

-S

Mexicos instability really is a number one threat to the US.
If Mexico falls into large scale civil war, any insurgency and terrorism could spread in the US side also. I wouldnt count out a bigger American conflict from Venezuela and Colombia to Mexico or an US intervention.

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That's an interesting thought. What makes you think that Mexico will dissolve into a civil war or that the U.S. would intervene? And if all that happened, what makes you think the U.S. would suffer any more difficulty than financial strain?

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Military Report: Mexico, Pakistan at Risk of 'Rapid and Sudden Collapse'

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479906,00.html

Joint Operating Environment 2008 report.
http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storya...08/JOE2008.pdf

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In terms of worst-case scenarios for the Joint Force
and indeed the world, two large and important states bear
consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and
Mexico.
Some forms of collapse in Pakistan would carry
with it the likelihood of a sustained violent and bloody
civil and sectarian war, an even bigger haven for violent
extremists, and the question of what would happen to its
nuclear weapons. That “perfect storm” of uncertainty alone
might require the engagement of U.S. and coalition forces
into a situation of immense complexity and danger with no
guarantee they could gain control of the weapons and with
the real possibility that a nuclear weapon might be used.
The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the
government, its politicians, police, and judicial infrastructure
are all under sustained assault and pressure by criminal gangs
and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over
the next several years will have a major impact on the stability
of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos
would demand an American response based on the serious
implications for homeland security alone.

Military and Intelligence analysts naturally create different scenarios all the time.
But i read about this earlier, cant remember where, anyway the whole scale of the economic crisis wasnt materalised then. Now it has and Mexicos oil revenues and exports plummet, combined with the cartel wars, the scenario of a collapse starts to look very plausible.

The potential risks from Mexicos fall to US are numerous.
Starting from severe economic effects, mass immigration to the possible escalation of a conflict over to the US and its Mexican population.
When you throw in Chavez as a possible player, that has recently consolidated his position and has ambitions over his own borders, you can see the potential for an escalating conflict. Colombia and Bolivia come in to picture at this time and Cuba is a wild card.

Iran has also close relations with Venezuela, has been active in Central America and could play a role also. The borders seem to be open all ready but naturally it would also make it easier for some non goverment sponsored terrorist group to pass in to the US.
Seems that imagination is the limit here.

So as the possible collapse of Mexico seems to be comparable to an Pandoras box, an US military intervention in Mexico would to me make every sense.

@ HT

There are some interesting elements in your perspective that I have not yet considered. I'll have to get back to you later, though. I haven't even finished reading the Joint Operating Envirnment report yet. So far, though, I'm inclined to agree with it in many respects.