SUBSIM Radio Room Forums - British dhimmitude delivers blow to free thought and free speech in the EU

SUBSIM Radio Room Forums (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/index.php)

- General Topics (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=175)

- - British dhimmitude delivers blow to free thought and free speech in the EU (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=148094)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Times

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.

Do you actually mean this?

To bump this great thread once more, I think HT is just himself very happy about neo-nazi acts of terror. Who knows, when playing SH 3 he probably fondly remembers the 'happy times' when the ovens were warm 24/7.

I am talking against anti-semitism and freedom of speech, you are the one supporting them. You have also defended Soviet Union and Stalin before. The multiculturalist idelogy suits the socialists well, its the old goal of dismantling the western society, borders and nation states.

If you talk against anti-semitism (or anti-Jewishness to be precise, there are more Semites then just the Jews) does that mean you wouldn't mind having more Jewish people living in Europe? You folks should really try to make up your minds already.

As far as Stalin and the Soviets, should the citizens of country A decide what leader country B has? Difficult question, in the case of Soviets and Stalin would someone else have succeeded better against the nazis? Who knows, but it's touching to know that you would have wanted to 'save' Russians/Soviets from the bad leader. How sweet of you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Islamic hate preachers and extremists still are not threatend to get assassinated by western people,

Oh yea, it's only the innocent that get targeted and murdered by neo-nazis in arson attacks etc. I wonder why that is?

That is because it is barbecue season 24/365 in our fourth Reich. I myself for example just roasted two Lebanese babies yesterday, a brother and a sister. They burned so lovely, and their crying was so cute. Of course it was too much meat for one fella like me alone, so most of it was for the dogs. :yeah:

Quote:

Generelly it is understood as anti-jewishness, not arabs, that was what i was referring to anyway.
No i woulndt mind, Jews are part of Europes Judeo-Cristian culture from centuries. Unfortunately Jews are fleeing Europe, but not because of Nazis but because Muslims and Black/Red activists like you. I dont know what you are referring with "you folks", i think you really want me to be a Nazi so you can sleep at night.

Quote:

As far as Stalin and the Soviets, should the citizens of country A decide what leader country B has? Difficult question, in the case of Soviets and Stalin would someone else have succeeded better against the nazis? Who knows, but it's touching to know that you would have wanted to 'save' Russians/Soviets from the bad leader. How sweet of you.

Following that logic Hitler was a legimite leader as he was elected by his people,
Stalin on the otherhand murdered his way to power.
You must feel scitsofrenic at times?
Try take the sane wiew that they where both evil massmurderers.:yeah:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Times

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.

Do you actually mean this?

Strong possibility, atleast the real blame is on the evil West.

Strong possibility?

You posted it!

Yes, i would place a bet on it. So?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Ok so you have a problem with Arabs but not Jews, well then anti-semitism is maybe a too wide term. I'm referring to nazis, both neo and 'old'. And no I'm not a communist but if you have to label me that so you can sleep at night then go ahead. And to be honest I don't really believe you when you say you'd like to have Jewish people come to Europe based on some "Judeo-Christian" similarity. I believe this Jewish exodus back to Europe when I see it, ok?

Quote:

I wish it was as simple as "all dictators are bad" and "Hitler = Stalin". I admit as a measly scholar of history that it would make things a lot more black and white, and I'm sure you like it when things are very black and white, right? What guarantees were there that had the Russians/Soviets not had Stalin and some kind of alliance, there wouldn't have been a race war against them? The German nationalists wouldn't have come up with GPO without Hitler?

Anyway, go ahead and spam Wilders-crap, I hope more people see his documentary only to find out how crappy it truly is.

Quote:

Ok so you have a problem with Arabs but not Jews, well then anti-semitism is maybe a too wide term.

I dont even have a problem with Arabs, i have a problem with anti-semite and anti-western Arabs.

Quote:

I'm referring to nazis, both neo and 'old'. And no I'm not a communist but if you have to label me that so you can sleep at night then go ahead. And to be honest I don't really believe you when you say you'd like to have Jewish people come to Europe based on some "Judeo-Christian" similarity. I believe this Jewish exodus back to Europe when I see it, ok?

Im not sure what you are, anarchist or bolsevik, but i know you are dangerous.
I can say that our family friends are Jewish and i have lived in Israel, maybe ive hidden my inner Nazi all this time.

Quote:

Do they teach history scholars that you cant re-write history based on what ifs?
Fact is that Stalin had more people killed that Hitler and launched genocides based on etnicity. Neo-Stalinist hide behind the labels these acts were committed.

Quote:

Anyway, go ahead and spam Wilders-crap, I hope more people see his documentary only to find out how crappy it truly is.

I agree there are better films on the subject but this film has served its purpose in revealing the dhimmitude in Europe.

Quote:

I know, its a rare thing these days, its called having a pair.

So you have balls for brains , that explains a lot .

Quote:

Wilders isnt the one threatening with violence and 10.000 strong angry mobs, if you cant see the difference i can only feel pity for you.

Save your pity for yourself , you clearly need it .
So tell me , if of course you can get your testicles to perform simple cognitive functions , since Wilders said that his intention is to provoke a violent reaction how is he not threatening violence ?

But to look at this freedom of speech from a different perspective .
If I was to hold a theory that Catholics are evil violent terrorists and to prove my point chose to walk into a pub near Glasgows Celtic Park full of Cairde Na hEirann freaks and say the Pope is a poof . Would I be a brave and admirable person exercising my freedom of speech or just a bloody idiot setting out to cause trouble?

BTW Happy Times , with your earlier comment about Islam controls the House of Lords ?
Do you think it might be an idea to write to Westminster and tell them just in case the Lords Spiritual and the Chief Rabbi slept through that event .

Some unbearable words for some unreasonable pussies who put glue into their eyes every morning like other people insert contact lenses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6PR...e=channel_page

Quote:

Wilders isnt the one threatening with violence and 10.000 strong angry mobs, if you cant see the difference i can only feel pity for you.

Lol, where do you perform these functions as you dont have brains or balls?:har:
How is unmasking a totalitarian ideology at the risk of his own life a threat?:hmmm:
What about Aiyan Hirsi Ali or Salman Rushdie? Both under protection and Theo van Gogh is dead. You see a pattern?
Maybe pity is wasted in you, despise might fit your arrogance and cowardice.

Quote:

But to look at this freedom of speech from a different perspective .
If I was to hold a theory that Catholics are evil violent terrorists and to prove my point chose to walk into a pub near Glasgows Celtic Park full of Cairde Na hEirann freaks and say the Pope is a poof . Would I be a brave and admirable person exercising my freedom of speech or just a bloody idiot setting out to cause trouble?

You would be a bloody idiot exercising your freedom of speech.
If they attacked you, they would be charged, not you.

Quote:

BTW Happy Times , with your earlier comment about Islam controls the House of Lords ?
Do you think it might be an idea to write to Westminster and tell them just in case the Lords Spiritual and the Chief Rabbi slept through that event .

I dont think anyone, but you, missed Lord Ahmeds threats.

Sorry, HT, I just realised that you linked good ol' Pat before me.

The House of Lords Speech: What Wilders Would Have Said If Britain Allowed Free Speec

Quote:

Below is the text of the address that Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders was invited to deliver at the House of Lords on Thursday, February 12, 2009. Instead of making this address and showing his film Fitna, he was detained by UK immigration officials on his arrival at London Heathrow airport and sent back to the Netherlands as a risk to “public security.”

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.

Thank you for inviting me. Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for showing Fitna [see it here], and for your gracious invitation. While others look away, you seem to understand the true tradition of your country, and a flag that still stands for freedom.

This is no ordinary place. This is not just one of England’s tourist attractions. This is a sacred place. This is the mother of all Parliaments, and I am deeply humbled to speak before you.

The Houses of Parliament is where Winston Churchill stood firm, and warned – all throughout the 1930’s – for the dangers looming. Most of the time he stood alone.

In 1982 President Reagan came to the House of Commons, where he did a speech very few people liked. Reagan called upon the West to reject communism and defend freedom. He introduced a phrase: ‘evil empire’. Reagan’s speech stands out as a clarion call to preserve our liberties. I quote: If history teaches anything, it teaches self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly.

What Reagan meant is that you cannot run away from history, you cannot escape the dangers of ideologies that are out to destroy you. Denial is no option.

Communism was indeed left on the ash heap of history, just as Reagan predicted in his speech in the House of Commons. He lived to see the Berlin Wall coming down, just as Churchill witnessed the implosion of national-socialism.

Today, I come before you to warn of another great threat. It is called Islam. It poses as a religion, but its goals are very worldly: world domination, holy war, sharia law, the end of the separation of church and state, the end of democracy. It is not a religion, it is a political ideology. It demands your respect, but has no respect for you.

There might be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam. Islam will never change, because it is built on two rocks that are forever, two fundamental beliefs that will never change, and will never go away. First, there is Quran, Allah’s personal word, uncreated, forever, with orders that need to be fulfilled regardless of place or time. And second, there is al-insal al-kamil, the perfect man, Muhammad the role model, whose deeds are to be imitated by all Muslims. And since Muhammad was a warlord and a conqueror we know what to expect.

Islam means submission, so there cannot be any mistake about it’s goal. That’s a given. The question is whether the British people, with its glorious past, is longing for that submission.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible speed. The United Kingdom has seen a rapid growth of the number of Muslims. Over the last ten years, the Muslim population has grown ten times as fast as the rest of society. This has put an enormous pressure on society. Thanks to British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill, the English now have taken the path of least resistance. They give up. They give in.

Thank you very much for letting me into the country. I received a letter from the Secretary of State for the Home Department, kindly disinviting me. I would threaten community relations, and therefore public security in the UK, the letter stated.

For a moment I feared that I would be refused entrance. But I was confident the British government would never sacrifice free speech because of fear of Islam. Britannia rules the waves, and Islam will never rule Britain, so I was confident the Border Agency would let me through. And after all, you have invited stranger creatures than me. Two years ago the House of Commons welcomed Mahmoud Suliman Ahmed Abu Rideh, linked to Al Qaeda. He was invited to Westminster by Lord Ahmed, who met him at Regent’s Park mosque three weeks before. Mr. Rideh, suspected of being a money man for terror groups, was given a SECURITY sticker for his Parliamentary visit.

Well, if you let in this man, than an elected politician from a fellow EU country surely is welcome here too. By letting me speak today you show that Mr Churchill’s spirit is still very much alive. And you prove that the European Union truly is working; the free movement of persons is still one of the pillars of the European project.

But there is still much work to be done. Britain seems to have become a country ruled by fear. A country where civil servants cancel Christmas celebrations to please Muslims. A country where Sharia Courts are part of the legal system. A country where Islamic organizations asked to stop the commemoration of the Holocaust. A country where a primary school cancels a Christmas nativity play because it interfered with an Islamic festival. A country where a school removes the words Christmas and Easter from their calendar so as not to offend Muslims. A country where a teacher punishes two students for refusing to pray to Allah as part of their religious education class. A country where elected members of a town council are told not to eat during daylight hours in town hall meetings during the Ramadan. A country that excels in its hatred of Israel, still the only democracy in the Middle-East. A country whose capitol is becoming ‘Londonistan.’

I would not qualify myself as a free man. Four and a half years ago I lost my freedom. I am under guard permanently, courtesy to those who prefer violence to debate. But for the leftist fan club of Islam, that is not enough. They started a legal procedure against me. Three weeks ago the Amsterdam Court of Appeals ordered my criminal prosecution for making Fitna and for my views on Islam. I committed what George Orwell called a ‘thought crime.’

You might have seen my name on Fitna’s credit role, but I am not really responsible for that movie. It was made for me. It was actually produced by Muslim extremists, the Quran and Islam itself. If Fitna is considered ‘hate speech,’ then how would the Court qualify the Quran, with all it’s calls for violence, and hatred against women and Jews?

Mr. Churchill himself compared the Quran to Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf. Well, I did exactly the same, and that is what they are prosecuting me for.

I wonder if the UK ever put Mr. Churchill on trail.

The Court’s decision and the letter I received form the Secretary of State for the Home Department are two major victories for all those who detest freedom of speech. They are doing Islam’s dirty work. Sharia by proxy. The differences between Saudi Arabia and Jordan on one hand, and Holland and Britain are blurring. Europe is now on the fast track of becoming Eurabia. That is apparently the price we have to pay for the project of mass immigration, and the multicultural project.

Ladies and gentlemen, the dearest of our many freedoms is under attack. In Europe, freedom of speech is no longer a given. What we once considered a natural component of our existence is now something we again have to fight for. That is what is at stake. Whether or not I end up in jail is not the most pressing issue. The question is: Will free speech be put behind bars?

We have to defend freedom of speech.

For the generation of my parents the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my country men listened to it, illegally. The words ‘This Is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon. If only the British and Canadian and American soldiers were here.

What will be transmitted forty years from now? Will it still be ‘This Is London’? Or will it be ‘this is Londonistan’? Will it bring us hope, or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery?

The choice is ours.

Ladies and gentlemen,

We will never apologize for being free. We will never give in. We will never surrender.

Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.

Thank you very much.

Geert Wilders MP
Chairman, Party for Freedom (PVV)
The Netherlands

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3796

Quote:

How is unmasking a totalitarian ideology at the risk of his own life a threat?

Wow thats a hard one .
Lets see how to put it in simple terms that you might just be able to grasp if you try and think just a little without your phobia getting in the way.
If the stated intention is to provoke a violent reaction then it is a threat to provoke violence .
Is that too complicated for you to understand ?

Quote:

If they attacked you, they would be charged, not you.

Wrong . I would be liable to prosecution for undertaking an action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace . Your balls are clearly no substitute for brains are they

Quote:

I dont think anyone, but you, missed Lord Ahmeds threats.

What threats ?
He said he would organise a mass protest outside parliament :rotfl:
Though of course he would have a problem with that as British law was changed to attempt to deal with a single protester outside parliament so if lord Ahmed wanted to organise a mass protest there he would first have to give notice of his intentions , then complete all the paperwork detailing how many people were going to attend , what they would be saying , how many banners would be dislayed , how big the banners would be ,what the banners would have written on them , how long the protest would last and where exactly outside parliament he would like his protest resricted too ....then if he actually got approval he could have held his protest without being arrested for offences under breach of public order .

Quote:

Sorry, HT, I just realised that you linked good ol' Pat before me.

Good old Pat , he was a lot funnier when he was more active on the circuit , though at least he is still a real comedian while Wilders is just a joke .

Quote:

How is unmasking a totalitarian ideology at the risk of his own life a threat?

I dont have any irrational fears, i have concerns based on facts.
Were has Wilders said he wanted to provoke violent reactions?
The Danish cartoons prove, that you really dont need much, to get a violent reaction from the muslims.
Dont you feel this is the REAL problem, not some short film or a cartoon?
If not, it is you with irrational concerns that i have a problem to understand.

Quote:

If they attacked you, they would be charged, not you.

Wrong . I would be liable to prosecution for undertaking an action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace . Your balls are clearly no substitute for brains are they

Prove it, i call BS.

Quote:

I dont think anyone, but you, missed Lord Ahmeds threats.

Just like they did it last time.

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles...go.to.hell.jpg

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp