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Enigma 01-22-09 03:50 AM

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Sadly enough, only a Democrat wouldn't be able to figure out the negative consequences of releasing enemy combatants while at war against them. Most of these people were found in Afghanistan armed to the teeth, fighting alongside Taliban wackos against our soldiers. This will indeed increase the chances of another attack against our interests, or more coalition soldiers dead at the hands of these psychos. But I'm sure none of that is important to you. Like Mr. Obama seemingly, you see no dangers.

You're more worried about how we treat them than what dangers they pose to us. And you give primary concern as to what some of the whiny Europeans think of us, rather than what we should do to ensure our own security. I guess we should get used to the old "sweep it under the rug" policy. Change and Hope???? Yeah...change back to the 90's. And only hope for the enmy terrorist combatants. In regards to the relevance of the material, National Security is never an old or obsolete concept. And there are many well reasoned arguments to keep Gitmo open, and there are virtually no good arguments to close it other than the usual "we'll be more respected by the whiners of the world" nonsense. Unfortunately, you guys on the left never seem to get it. Nor do any of you seem to be students of history. I am saddened if the results of this lead to more U.S. casualties. I'm worried because this single action is likely to lead to more danger.
I give your rebuttal a D-. :lol:

Kapitan_Phillips 01-22-09 08:56 AM

One thing I've noticed is that Obama has begun making decisions that would have taken months or even years for others to make. That doesnt make them good decisions per se, but it shows me that he is at least committed to taking action.

Morts 01-22-09 09:22 AM

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Sadly enough, only a Democrat wouldn't be able to figure out the negative consequences of releasing enemy combatants while at war against them.

every one of your arguments seems to only contain "its always the democrats, democrats are stupid, only a democrat, durrrr..we're right your stupid"

UnderseaLcpl 01-22-09 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips
One thing I've noticed is that Obama has begun making decisions that would have taken months or even years for others to make. That doesnt make them good decisions per se, but it shows me that he is at least committed to taking action.

Which is a decided disadvantage if you want Washington to stop doing things.:hmm:

But I see your point.:yep:

Sea Demon 01-22-09 10:52 AM

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every one of your arguments seems to only contain "its always the democrats, democrats are stupid, only a democrat, durrrr..we're right your stupid"

Oh, if only it was so easy Morts. Obama's first move was to stop the trials of accused Islamic terrorists and to move to close Gitmo. Most of these psychos were found on the battlefields of Afghanistan fighting alongside the Taliban. At this very moment, intelligence experts are warning us that the Islamic fundies want to hit us hard under a new president, possibly as some sort of new "test" of resolve. What sort of message is being sent to these Islamic terrorists? Is it possible that this will be seen as a signal that Barack Obama will be soft on terrorism? I think so.

And unfortunately, it is a historical precedent that a Democrat executive is soft on terrorism, and usually notches down national secureity as a priority. As you can see above there are those who deny it, but words and deeds of past Democrat Presidents and the actions of this current one are a matter of record. The Obama drones simply won't be able to escape it.

Enigma 01-22-09 11:29 AM

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Oh, if only it was so easy Morts. Obama's first move was to stop the trials of accused Islamic terrorists and to move to close Gitmo. Most of these psychos were found on the battlefields of Afghanistan fighting alongside the Taliban. At this very moment, intelligence experts are warning us that the Islamic fundies want to hit us hard under a new president, possibly as some sort of new "test" of resolve. What sort of message is being sent to these Islamic terrorists? Is it possible that this will be seen as a signal that Barack Obama will be soft on terrorism? I think so.

And unfortunately, it is a historical precedent that a Democrat executive is soft on terrorism, and usually notches down national secureity as a priority. As you can see above there are those who deny it, but words and deeds of past Democrat Presidents and the actions of this current one are a matter of record. The Obama drones simply won't be able to escape it.
Was Bush "soft on terrorism" when he wanted to close Gitmo? Or does that only apply to democrats who want to close Gitmo?

Also, Can you tell me how many detainees there are at Gitmo?
Can you tell me how many have been formally charged?

Because the answer to these questions, inconvenient as it may be for you, completely debunk this entire post.

Sea Demon 01-22-09 11:44 AM

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Was Bush "soft on terrorism" when he wanted to close Gitmo? Or does that only apply to democrats who want to close Gitmo?

Also, Can you tell me how many detainees there are at Gitmo?
Can you tell me how many have been formally charged?

Because the answer to these questions, inconvenient as it may be for you, completely debunk this entire post.

Nope. Bush has been consistent in his actions against terrorism. And his record of no further attacks is a matter of record for the nation. And as far as I know, Mr. Bush never closed Gitmo or signed any executive orders to move in that direction. Looks like his response there was simple appeasement to a whiner in words with no real effect. Mr. Obama on the other hand is going forward very quickly. With real executive orders. The real danger here that you can't see is that he's closing this facility with no policy in place to deal with these people. There are 240 detainees currently. And these people were not exactly picked up in the candy store on the corner. And I'm concerned with the message he's sending to terrorists worldwide. As difficult that is for you, your "insight" here simply rings hollow. What you can't escape is the fact that Mr. Obama's first day in office was spent looking out for the rights of enemy combatants. Not ensuring our own people have the resources necessary to succeed in their mission.

Tchocky 01-22-09 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
And these people were not exactly picked up in the candy store on the corner.

Lots of them were bought at the corner shop, though.

Sea Demon 01-22-09 11:57 AM

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Anyway it's funny how people praise Bush for his record against terrorism when in fact the worst terrorist attack on the US was carried while he was in office :doh:

If Mr. Bush's predecessor (yet another Democrat) had done his job, and not have taken the "sweep it under the rug" approach to the few terrorist attacks on his watch, 9/11 most likely would never have happened.

Enigma 01-22-09 12:08 PM

Everything bad that happened while Republicans were in office is the fault of Democrats. Got it. :rotfl:

By the way, I can't help but notice you hadn't answered my questions....:hmm:

Enigma 01-22-09 12:10 PM

P.S "Bin Laden determined to strike in USA"

Sound familiar? Conveniently forgotten? I imagine so....

Sea Demon 01-22-09 12:17 PM

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Everything bad that happened while Republicans were in office is the fault of Democrats. Got it. :rotfl:

By the way, I can't help but notice you hadn't answered my questions....:hmm:

Poor little Enigma. :nope: Yes, I answered you and then some. How many detainees? answered. Formally charged? Don't know and don't care. These people were not exactly sitting in terror camps in Afghanistan on a Taliban picnic. You simply can't address the issue of why your hero has decided to use his first day to defend the rights of enemy combatants rather than use the first day to ensure our people have what they need to fight these terrorists and win. In regards to your first point, Mr. Bush responded to the attacks on 9/11 and has kept the nation safe from another attack since. All the while the left and Democrats have fought him the entire way. That is the fault of the Democrats. And yes, If Mr. Clinton had done his job, 9/11 probably would not have happened. That's as obvious as gravity beneath your feet.

Tchocky 01-22-09 01:12 PM

Where's gravity?

THERE IT IS

Fish 01-22-09 01:27 PM

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Sadly enough, only a Democrat wouldn't be able to figure out the negative consequences of releasing enemy combatants while at war against them.

every one of your arguments seems to only contain "its always the democrats, democrats are stupid, only a democrat, durrrr..we're right your stupid"

Exactly, and the rest of the world, especially europ, are just commie whiners. :yep:

Aramike 01-22-09 01:45 PM

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Send them to Germany. First class, of course.

Keep them yourself. You messed it up, you clean it, you pay for it. And you bring your legal issues back in order. Why should Germany give you the cheap exit ticket?

What mess? All I see are leftists who don't like how something is done.

Heh, imagine Obama's credibility if someone detained there was released, then perpetuated a terrorist act. You think he doesn't know that?

Sure, Gitmo may close ... only to replaced by something similar.

And you know 100% a similar detention center will be created?:88)

Did I say there would be?

Nope.

. . . only to replaced by something similar.

Not that I should have to tell you this, but "something similar" is very broad. Doesn't mean a dentention center will be created. :doh:


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