Yeah i watched it last night but mine was a downloaded version quality was a bit crappy in places yet i will go out and buy the dvd when it comes out later in the new year now that i know its worth paying for :) The documentary i saw few years back had a slightly different outcome at the end. He was hung up with piano wire. In this one he was shot.

I think he got shot in real life.

From the little that I know, I believe you are correct Shroeder-Stauffenberg was shot in real life. He and a few othe co-conspirators were taken out and quickly shot soon after being captured.

Later, some of the other conspirators were hung with piano wire and filmed. The film was later shown to Hitler.

gen.Fromm ordered to shoot them when he realised that the plot was unsuccessful. He thought he would stay uncovered.How wrong he was... The rest was hanged as said above after a "trial" where von Witzleben had to hold his trousers in hands coz refused of a belt or those...you know what....And this famous quot. from Freisler: Herr Witzleben, what are you doing with your pants, ffs?

Just went and saw the film. To be honest, I was quite impressed. The sets were fantastic, and I was even impressed by Cruise's performance. The film did a great job of conveying the tension of the time. And, despite the fact that I knew the outcome, it kept me feeling as though I didn't.

As for the gripe about it being in English, I've been of the view that I'd always rather watch a film in my native language instead of reading subtitles/hearing a dub. The intricacy of events seems lost when mere language becomes a detail of focus, IMO.

You forget the concentration camps, which would have been closed down under the new regime. You also forget the fanatic resistance put up in all of Europe, the mass executions under the NS governmet commited within the army and the ppl and last but not least thousands of Hitler youth and Volkssturm that perished for nothing. All these losses could have been cut down dramatically had the resistance been successfull, not to speak of the symbolism behind a german resistance movement overthrowing the NS regime. All together that would have made a "huge" difference compared to the utter human and moral defeat by the Nazis and probably would have saved millions.

Lurchi was not talking about the hard facts of the outcome, but about a tactical and strategic strenghening of the western allies. Would it have been the west capturing Berlin the cards in Europe and the upcoming cold war would have been dramatically shifted in favor of the allies within Europe. The west allies pulled back out of the already occupied areas mostly because they expected a part of Berlin in exchange, which they got. The russians not capturing Berlin would have been a catastrophic propagandistic loss for the USSR and weakend their position in post war negotiations.

I think you overestimate Hitler's power to control the "whole system"-I mean KZ etc. Don't forget what Himmler did-prisoners for him were only a commodity that could be traded for sth...e.g. trucks. I doubt the KZ would have been closed. It was not only Hitler's will to treat particular kind of people(without and negative aspect here)in the ways we know. Many people(read-officials)benefited from that state. Blaming only Hitler is kinda specific for some nation but I guess it is better to stop here.
actually I guess there was a race for Berlin-at least after reading J.Toland's book I got this impression. Especially Patton wanted to get the city.

http://www.moreorless.au.com/heroes/stauffenberg.html


Not a bad film IMHO.....a lot better than I initially feared.

they have read too much about Canaris.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...t/canaris.html

Jimbuna-is your post for or against what I've written?:hmm:
(I need to take some extra english lessons)

Neither for or against kranz....somply posting information to assist people get a better understanding of what possibly happened in RL.

ok, now it makes sense.:up: I read about this meat hook and Canaris in Jurgen Stroop's book. This guy was responsible for pacifcation of Jewish ghetto in Warsaw April-May 1943. You may have heard about him.Nvm.So the story goes like this: when they finally beat Canaris and he was full of bandages, before hanging him one of the SS guys said- "take of those bandages, coz he must hang on his flesh not on them". Dunno how much truth is in this story but it's kinda cruel.:nope: