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Subsim Monitor 12-27-08 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by subchaser12

I dare you to say this to anyone with Gulf War sydrome you scumbag. Yes I said scumbag,

Unacceptable, 10 days in the brig.

fatty 12-27-08 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by fatty
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Originally Posted by Zachstar
Go eat some Subman. Since you obviously believe the deformities and the horror from this stuff is BS.

Directly beneath the paragraph SUBMAN just cited:

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That said, DU is a heavy metal; and like lead, nickel, and other heavy metals, it is chemically toxic when consumed in large quantities, especially harming the kidneys. However, studies looking at likely exposures to DU during and after battles have found that its effects on the kidneys of soldiers and civilians are mild and transient.

You seem to missed the keywords 'LARGE QUANTITIES' or something. Which basically means you must eat an entire DU rd for breakfast.

Duh! Same effect from eating a breakfast platter of Nickel.

-S

Well, you said "basically, you can have DU rounds for breakfast withlut [sic] any ill effect!" and that is blatantly false.

RickC Sniper 12-27-08 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Needs a bit more salt.

baggygreen 12-28-08 05:55 AM

Back onto topic a bit more...

these days, just living gives you cancer. You're bombarded with sound waves while you're still developing, and we all know how people whinge about sound waves causing sea animals to go kamikaze themselves on beaches. Verdict? not good.

TV in the home from a young age, spewing out its radiation. verdict? not good. Mocrowave being used to defrost, or to cook - not good. Radio waves coursing through the air - not good. Xrays when you break your arm, taken while the doc hides behind steel-reinforced concrete - not good.

Mobile phones being everywhere - not good. Wireless internet beaming and buzzing around the shop, not good. Cars, trucks, anything with an engine spitting out carbon monoxide - not good! Get out in the sun to get your dose of vitamin d (or is it E?) - UV rays, verdict not good.

My point is that the very act of being conceived begins a lifetime of being bombarded by carcinogens and radiation in some form or other. Its a miracle that all of us are still around, it really is a wonder the population is so big.

Depleted uranium, well I wouldn't go out of my ay to have it for breakfast, but I do suspect the effects are being exaggerated by those with an anti-anything-nuclear agenda. I would put forward a theory that DU rounds are not the cause of GWS, but rather GWS is the result of many of the injections troops received prior to operations.

In fact, I'd take it a step further and suggest soldiers were given different drugs, possibly within the same units. Now I've got nothing to back it up other than a hunch, but I doubt the powers that be would've passed up the opportunity to trial several different vaccines against the same weapon, to see which was most effective in the event such weapons were used.

The only other thing that makes me wonder this is that aussie troops weren't in armour in the gulf war, however many of them suffer GWS. Army, navy, and airforce. That, to me, gives a little more credence to my theory that GWS is more a reaction to vaccines than to DU rounds.

Any thoughts / comments?

Wait, I see someone coming up my driveway, men in dark sedans in black suits... let me just go greet them:doh::lol:

Edit - I just hit the wiki site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome, this is a balanced and on first impression fairly well-sourced article. For me, another firm piece of evidence against DU being responsible for GWS is the Balkans, where it was used however no cases have emerged.

However, the research continues. :)

peterloo 12-28-08 09:32 AM

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but I do suspect the effects are being exaggerated by those with an anti-anything-nuclear agenda
Agreed. The U-238 undergo only alpha decay. Alpha decay has little range and little penertrating power. It has a long half life of 246,000 years. So I suppose a soldier won't be subjected to large dosage of radiation as a result. The effects of radiation from DU munitions may be exaggerated.

Tchocky 12-28-08 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen
Back onto topic a bit more...

these days, just living gives you cancer. You're bombarded with sound waves while you're still developing, and we all know how people whinge about sound waves causing sea animals to go kamikaze themselves on beaches. Verdict? not good.

Well, we don't rely on high-frequency sound waves for communication and navigation, whereas whales & dolphins do.
Not exactly similar situations.

Here endeth the nit-picking :)

SUBMAN1 12-28-08 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fatty
Well, you said "basically, you can have DU rounds for breakfast withlut [sic] any ill effect!" and that is blatantly false.

Somehow u missed the sarcasm! :D :p

You know, I've been thinking. Of course the left doesn't like DU rds. It is scary because it represents technology. Have you notice that the left doesn't like coal, cars, gas, electricity, nukes, mechanization, resource gathering, or even light bulbs? I could go on with this list all day, but one thing is clear:

The left is the modern equivelent of the Amish people! Dare to tell me I am wrong! :D

-S

antikristuseke 12-28-08 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by fatty
Well, you said "basically, you can have DU rounds for breakfast withlut [sic] any ill effect!" and that is blatantly false.

Somehow u missed the sarcasm! :D :p

You know, I've been thinking. Of course the left doesn't like DU rds. It is scary because it represents technology. Have you notice that the left doesn't like coal, cars, gas, electricity, nukes, mechanization, resource gathering, or even light bulbs? I could go on with this list all day, but one thing is clear:

The left is the modern equivelent of the Amish people! Dare to tell me I am wrong! :D

-S

you are wrong. You are allso a self centered ***** with blinkers on who has a pesecution complex.

Im sorry, this is the politest I can phrase it.

Stealth Hunter 12-28-08 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Subsim Admin
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Originally Posted by subchaser12

I dare you to say this to anyone with Gulf War sydrome you scumbag. Yes I said scumbag,

Unacceptable, 10 days in the brig.

:roll:


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