Can you really not see it? That is a perfect description of the way you come across.

Some atheists are of the simple "Sorry, I don't see why I should believe" type, and some truly are militant "There's no God and you're an idiot for believing!". They can be intolerant, and they can be very tolerant. The same is true of believers. Some explain why they believe, and some call other people names for not believing.

You say you don't attack people, but you reserve the right to say the nastiest things about those who dare to argue with you. Do you have any tolerance for others' views?

Let's have an honest discussion about it, rather than dismissing the opposition. It's something I've never seen you do, and would love to.

Blacklight, solace yourself with this idea; there are always more religious zealots then there are atheist zealots.:yep:

I would also like to add to Steve's post by saying that although I can rant on about religion and do, it's not because I am an Atheist. I think religion can be a good thing, but it can also be a bad thing. In my opinion, it causes more problems than it solves. What makes me more angry than anything is when people try forcing their ideas on others via laws, the education system, or governmental contracts.

This guy is from your country, he knows. :yep:


http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Indeed. The Europeans have had hundreds of years of history in politics, war, and peace. If they offer advice, take it. They know what they're doing.:lol:

Steve once said it best: I have no problem with somebody if he does not raise a problem to me.

Keep thy religion to thyself and do not try to impose it on state and society. Where you parade with your beliefs in self-righteousness, you deserve my laughs and mockery. Where you try to influence state and society, you get my bitter resistance and hostility. Where you understand that your religion is yours alone and nobody else's issue or obligation, and you keep it for yourself - you will have no problem with me, since I do not care for your private business.

I don't demand you to reduce your freedoms in favour of mine - so do not expect me to fall back so that you can have greater freedoms for yourself - at the cost of mine.

If that makes my atheism "militant", then I accept that title with pride and honour. For I prefer freedom to religion and will not accept loss of freedom in the name of religion. And if needed, I fight for this freedom.

I'll say no to that one.

OK then. Ignore the advice of the more experienced.

Roger that. My family loved europe so much, they left there in the 1700s.

And 300 years later, their descendant's opinions have not changed.:doh:

Then why is it that you not only impose your views on the rest of us, but you constantly raise the religion flag in this forum when no one has done anything to you?

Hypocrisy.

-S

Skybird doesn't keep his religion to him self?
Can you even tell us what SB's religious/spiritual views or beliefs are?

That's special...! Problem is-that it is a big part of our culture and heritage. To me it is good problem. I like seeing the ten commandments on courthouse walls. I like the motto "In God we trust". I like our sworn officials to place their hand over the bible. I like our pledge of allegiance... "One nation under God..." Here in America we like freedom too and religion here has helped that cause and has not hindered it.

The past three months of my self-started religiously crusading threads. Three months it actually only is by date of the last replies. By starting date it reaches back even longer.

Check the list of intolerance and atheist hate here:

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That's just the past three months, but feel free to search youself before that. On launching threads of my own, being a member since 8 years, while over the past 4 years I started numerous threads on islam and several ones on religion in general (and have stopped both almost completely since mid last year) or linked a critical video of Pat Condell defending freedom against the claims of religious zealots, I only once had a thread launched where I explicitly described my own worldviews by an external link to one essay of mine, and repeated that link two times I think in reply to other people'S threads, and did so for a reason that had nothing to do with missionising or imposing my view on others.

But as I said I reserve the right to react to religious or atheist-bashing threads by others if they propagate stuff and claims that are at the cost of people not sharing these religious views. And yes, at those opportunities, which somewhat qualify for a description of self-defense against religious claims, I don't leave any doubt on my position that confronts such expansive and aggressive claims made by religion head on.

The point is - I do like that only then.

A deeply intolerant person like Subman will just not understand the difference, nor will he understand the difference between constructive criticism - and suggestive, manipulative propaganda and aiming at the speaker personally to hurt him or his reputation to score the easy laughs. He only knows "Subman, that's always good" versus "Non-Subman, always is evil and must be attacked and bullied".

Poor individual. I even can't be angry about his venomous attacks anymore. A sad smile for him, at best. By putting him on my ignore-list I just compensate for the lacking job that moderation normally should take care of. Before accusing me of religiously crusading threads, check his own record of threads from his profile and see how very very many of them are even already provoking by their aggressive or abusive titles, not to mention the twisted content of them about which quite some people in recent weeks have voiced their disgust.

Or in brief, Subman, while you are already on my ignore list since longer time now and will not be directly adressed by me anymore, answer me my favour of ignoring you personally on equal terms, if you please. there already is SD and August and half a dozen others to collect your applaus from - what do you need me for?

Ah, for stabbing me from behind and trying to make a cheap score at my cost by posting something suggestive and wrong about me, misquoting me or putting something in my mouth, hm, yes, I forgot, for that you need a Feindbild like me indeed - to distract from yourself. Because much what you accuse others of - and especially me - you excessively practice yourself, ad nauseum. That's what is called trolling.

Not wanted here. Just leave me alone. Put me on your ignore list as well, and you're fine.