SkyBird, get off your soapbox. I've never said any of the things that your are railing against, yet you accuse me of talking in circles? I have made no claims. I defend no religion. I defend my right to speak my mind in a civil manner (for the 2nd time, ok, not quite totally civil since I laughed at the UFO thing, I admit). At least I am able to admit to the possibility that something I've done is wrong.

You, on the other hand, can't even acknowledge your own actions without giving the same speech over and over.

All I have to say to you now is whatever.
Edit : The following comment was made under the delusion that SB had made an earlier comment regarding how "non-americans" view things. Consider it retracted.
I'll go now and let your poor non-american self alone so that you can ponder the meaning of yourself.

In my opinion your use of the term child abuse to describe what you did is in itself an abuse of the english language. We will have to agree to disagree on that.

As for the UFO accusation levelled at you that is unfair and a distortion of that event. Perhaps some of the dirty politics from the US political trail is rubbing off on the forums. :lol:

you pick up religion'S cause and defend it's demands to be seen like it wants to be seen, so no matter if you do that without being asked or believing in what you say - you take the Flak. What else do you expect!?

I give the same speech over and over indeed - because it is the same stuff being raised and thrown over and over again. Since I did not change my views on it, and do not see why I would need to change to the other side of the street just because somebody starts coming along, it is like mthis and not any different.

And this: my "poor non-american self"...!?:lol: :lol: Next time make comments like that in the very beginning - it saves us both a lot of time, for I would not care for you any longer immediately. My excuse is my poor non-american self dared for a moment to forget that america is the meaning of the world, and that's why I turned nagging. After all, what use is there in Darwinian evolution if it does not culminate in America? :88) Forgive my impertinence, I ask for your superior American apology.


We both know the meaning (translation) of the term, and i mean it exactly like that and not any way different. Like I call pressing kids to be child soldiers in Africa also as child abuse. Children are defenseless and weak. that is what makes abusing their bodies, their minds or their hands so absolutely disgusting, unexcusable and ignorrant for the natural human dignity they are born with and that is their most basic right right to be respected. the dignity of man is untouchable, says the very first article of the german constitution. And that does not exclude the dignity of human mind's capacity and potential. But then abusing the defenselessness of these weak minds to fill them with fear of hell, and respect for divine totalitarianism, a God that punishes if you do not obey his commands, and believing in hallucinations and stuff that nowhere never is to be seen, checked and tested for it's real existence...? That means to take away the mind's ability to think free and reasonable, and to come to it's own conclusions by that. It is not genital but intellectual circumcision.

So now we just need to sit and wait until somebody comes along to tell me that as an inhabitant of the former Third Reich I should remain silent in shame and excuse myself for Nazi crimes that I did not commit, and that we Germans are poor for not being eternally thankful for america and not promising to be its obedient, uncritical vasall. So you see - after eight years of playing this song, I know the sound of it. :up: And the one reproachful questions that aims at ending all discussion immediately: I wonder why America ever liberated such a leftist, god-less commie-Europe...?! :doh:

I'm truly sorry and I apologize for starting this thread in the first place... I should have known better... :oops: The world is an angry enough place as it is without adding more logs to the fire... :damn:

First the important part. My apologies for the "poor non-american self" thing. I incorrectly believed that you had earlier stated something regarding how "non-americans" view things. My jab wasn't intended to imply that America is "the meaning of the world". Again, my apologies for the misunderstanding.

Now, where exactly in this thread did you see me "pick up religion'S cause and defend it's demands...". Is pointing out that hypocrisy is a human trait defending religion? What do I expect, you ask? I expect you to read what I typed before you go ranting off into the wild blue yonder about the evilness of religion and blame me for your rant because you didn't get the first simple point.

I really wish Neal would simply forbid any religious discussions. That simple. where there is no strike, ther eis no counterstrike. Where there is no claim, there must be no counter-argument. i haven't stopped to start Islam- and religion-threads myself for no reason long time ago.

Your board your rules, Neal. Simply ban it, and all are done and well-served. As long as the one side rises it's head, the other inevitably will do as well - and there you go.

P.S. Just noted your latest, Trucker. Didn'T you plan to leave it behind? However, you apologize for that certain part, i accpet, and pleas consider my angry reply to that as never having been written.

I strongly suggest we stop here now, no matter remaining questions and disagreements. At least that'S what I do now, and right here.

Forget that. You guys feel free to quote anything i say if you want. Unlike certain people i'd never do the electronic equivalent of sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling "lalalalalala" when a person talks. :roll:

Yep, I did plan to leave it behind, but did feel that I needed to clear up that one point. And I've been accused of wanting to have the last word a few times, too:D

And yes, stopping here is probably a wise thing to do also.:up:

We all know you are anti-religious, we get it. So now you want to infring on freedom of speech as well??? If you do not like a post why bother to inject your opinions, then act like a little girl and cry for a moderator when poeple disagree with you.

That's been his shtick since i've been here...

Same here. I've been to another Forum where they had a similar function, and I just can't see the purpose of it.

The function is not to block difering opinions - as I was often accused of by the people I block - but to block people who mistake clearness about their agument and defending it - with personal attacks, using tricks, telling lies about their opponent to give them a bad name, and using foul tricks and pesonally hurting, aggressive rethoric in general. they would make wonderful campaign managers.

It is not about opinion at all, Steve. It is about a basic minimum of behavior rules. Even an aggressively voiced opinion totally different to my own views I do not block. With some of such people I even have regular email contact! but some other people worked long to get on my ignore list. Others, like the one who accused me some weeks ago that I would deeply regret that I cannot send people disagreeing with me into the gas chamber, just need one or to posts and by that reveal all you need to know about their attitude.

In real life I would avoid such people, or kick them out, it depends on the situation. Why should I be expected to tolerate such behavior in virtual space? I myself do not do things in virtual space that I would not do in real life. That means even a controversal thing I may defend here, I also defend in real life. For some things I say here and live by in raolity, I even pay aprice, and get threatend - and not just virtually. Just behaving rude because the other cannot reach you so easily in a forum, is maybe acceptable for others, but not for me - no matter in what direction it works.

That those that finally land on the ignore list are the ones trying to make clever comments on how shabby and censoring that is and that the other cannot handle their misbheavior, is not surprising. Because they cannot continue with what they would like to do: annoying the person that blocked them, and continuing to play dirty tricks and score cheap points en passant against the person in question. The UFO-thing above is a relatively harmless example, but the point is that experiencing it's scheme of functionality is not an exception with August, but the rule, and often it was not that harmeless, and on some occasions it was hurtful indeed. Maybe you have such unlimited patience to let such a person going on forever. But my tolerance knows limits - at some point I decide that enough is enough and that I won't take any more. Not always does a forum regulate itself if only you leave it alone and allow everything.

;)

Popie Jopie either:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=-LyZn3...eature=related

From a television show when the pope was visiting the Netherlands. ;)

i honestly think if religion was to be banned from this forum, so should politics cause they both start insane..almost flame like wars between Right/Left
and seeing that alot of the posts on this forum has got political content...bad idea

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