I never said you were a proponant of creationism or believed it etc etc. I'm taking your position as a devils advocate.

What I am trying, and probably not putting over very well (its late where I am going to get some shut eye soon :zzz: ) is that there is no equivalance between creationism and evolution.

You would be teaching scientific fact, suported by evidence on the one hand and something very different on the other. So in a way the bright kids might come to a rational conclusion but it would have been a waste of time.

A further problem would be if you started teaching creationism, which is in effect making up 'crap' and teaching it to kids as competing scientific theory (albeit made up a long time ago) then what other outlandish theories could be put up as counter theories so children can weigh the evidence? Hence my mention of flat earth? What would rank as too outlandish? Astrology?

:rotfl:Me too.

of course, if parents could choose what schools to send their children to, and the state had no authority over what was taught, this wouldn't be an issue.;)

Is it annoying when I link social and economic capitalism to everything?

I tried to drop it and you have to bring it up again. I never said I believed in creationism, per se (but it is my right to do so, or to believe in a non-strictly interpreted version of it, if I bloody well care to). I never said it should be taught in school. Whatever dogma is taught to children in their homes is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS OR THE GOVERNMENTS. I FECKING AGREE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

I do, however, happen to believe that there is the possiblity of a power greater than the all-omniscient human mind (extreme sarcasm most definitely intended).

Oh I agree that its place is in the home and not in school
and I wasnt missing what you were saying thats why the
part in my post says......

" (not saying U R D.T.)"

I further agree that there may indeed be a power beyond
our understanding or comprehension
Particularly the comprehension and understanding we as a species
enjoy at the moment.

M

In going back and reading my posts, I see where some misunderstanding may have occurred. When I said evidence, I DID NOT, REPEAT, DID NOT, mean "evidence" of creationism, I meant the evidence of evolution. I thought I had stated enough already my stand on the teaching of creationism in school.

Letum : That's why I though we agreed that the "evidence" (of which I admit there is none for creationism) we were speaking of was the evidence of evolution.

Edit : That is also the source of my increased agitation. Believing to have made myself clear, I wondered why the point was continuing to be argued.

Edit 2 : As for the U.R.D.T., I'll tell you the same thing I tell my wife. Don't expect me to read between the lines (or in this case the letters), you have to hit me over the head with it.:D

But creationism was being held up as equal theory as part of the dialogue
and as part of the OP.
(btw SH jump back in anytime)

I am not intending any real adversarialism nor really to disrespect even
though it does I am sure at times sound that way.
I feel the need to communicate that which I have learned because
it has not left me wondering. No doubts no act of faith. a certainty
equivalent to faith in the traditional sense of the word. I supect actually
the need to nurture knowledge and understanding is actually a gift of
my mothers orthodox catholic influence.

ps. dont yell at me.

yer pal
Mush.

I'LL FECKIN' YELL IF I FEEL LIKE IT. I just don't feel like it at the moment:D

The original question (which I seem to have derailed) was whether to teach creation, evolution or both [EDIT in school]. I merely suggested the possibility of teaching neither. And then all hell broke loose:doh:

thats georgia old son thats georgia :up:

There is one theory set taught in all schools that is known to be untrue and
produces false and inaccurate results. Despite being replaced by modern theories
in the scientific community, schools continue to teach this false, 400 year old idea
that was created by a alchemist and mystic who spent his time looking for codes
in the bible. It is taught as if it where fact.
In many cases the children are not even told about the alternate and correct theory
until they are in college or university.


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Uhm weird ... I have never heard of this. Seriously! and you dont name what it is really? bible code is taught in school where? the states?

....not that I object to anyone teaching Newtonian physics. ;)

Now I get it, Im on to M theory these days and havent thought about
my what I would consider Good Catholic education in a long time. nor
really curriculum in School really. We never succeeded in having kids:cry:
of course the upshot of that is that when we make a clean spot in april
it stays clean all year and is quiet the whole time:up:

in France all religious objects crosses , scarves , kippas etc ... are forbidden in schools (President Chirac initiative) so the problem 's settled for us french . Personnally i don't think it's a good thing i think it's a very good thing . The principe 's simple as long as somebody doesn't inflict suffering to another he can do whatever he wants and you don't have to tell him what he has to do (article 4 of the 1789 human and citizen rights declaration) . Concerning the poll as non-american i didn't voted but my comment speaks for itself

Well... Newtonian Physics does work for certain things. All you need is his calculations for space travel. That's why they use Newtons' equasions for all our space travel. We're so good with it that we can get our spacecraft within a foot or two of exactly where we want them to be when flying.