What exactly does an Economist know about military matters, hmm?

They have lots of it but their use of it really lacks when it comes to using it in something else than leveling towns. Effective counter battery fire isnt about numbers but methods and that is what you defend with against big Russian artillery concentrations.
You have to be better in areas that you can compete, c&c, sigint, tactics, methods, initiave from top to bottom. Georgia can have a better defence if it is willing to work hard and not cut any corners. This has to be a national consensus to do thiss, the will. Every sector of society has to know its role in time of war, from industry to civil servants, these have to be prepared and trained before hand. Then you can do mass evacuations in days, and have stockpiles of critical supplies for months.

their GNP is mlimited. even when 50% would be defense budget, they hardly could pay for what you imagine. and I always believed that greater numbers can only compensated for by better quality to a certain degree - and not beyond.

However, this detail of the debate - making Georgia a local superpower - is purely academic and lightyears off reality. Sijnc esiuch a Geoprgia also would bring new problems - I for sure do not wish to have a nation ruled my hyperemotional maniacs having such an arsenal when they are all to willing obviously to use it to attack russia and demand that Europe has to fopllow their example. as I said, your fanatasy is in every way just academic. the Us tried to work into that direciton you outlined, since years they support them in training, advisors on the ground and equipment, for the only sake of artificially rising a Wetsern presence in the Caucasian. the whol prject I consider to have been a total waste, and a totally bad idea. I totally agree with the Russians when they dubbed it "America's virtual project".

So, if you want to turn Georgia into a next military giant - do it with stocks from the Finish army, please, but leave the rest of us out of it.

You ********* . It is in your back yard AGAIN the common denominator is YOU. ***** YOU are the common denominator AGAIN. Clean it up.

You *** live right next door to each other and still refuse to admit to anything or open your eyes to whats happening around you. Like death camps in Yugoslavia you just sat there heads stuck in the sand hoping nobody else would see it either. Well there YOU are again sitting on your arses this time Russia took advantage of your pacifist girly man ways. YEP THATS RIGHT! RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE HIGH AND MIGHTY ABOVE IT ALL EUROPEANS.

You just sit there letting things like this go by until it's too late then ya'all come out of the wood work chirping like parakeets and pointing fingers to cover your own inadequacies. *******

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Hardly a military giant but recpecteble defence, they have the right to it(obiviously the need) and i just outlined how it is possible to achieve. You want them to be a dwarf puppet of Russia, that isnt going to happen anymore.This is in the interest of the West as those pipelines are of strategic value. My guess is that material assistence will come to Georgia even that you dont like it. Their economy has the biggest growth rate in Europe, almost 10%, so that promises good things for their GDP in 10-20 years.

Turning things I said into extremes I have said NOT, eh? I said what they are. If you think my wishes and desires have anything to do with it, then that is your reading from the cards.

And they will be minimised from now - that is what is going to happen.

The pipelines are one factor, but they do not copensate for all other factors and risks. Also, they are a plan so far, no reality. they are one of the reason why the US wants that place so much, agreed. It is hard to imagine that this pipeline now will be build anywa. Building pipelines is a stellar investement. And in such a vulnerable unprotectable and critical place? You will find no investor being enthusiastic about this anymore.

Oh material assistance WILL come to Georgia, no doubt. just not of that kind that you imagine. eventually a couple of handheld system get smuggled in. WHY DO YOU THINK THE RUSSIANS ARE PLAYING SO TOUGH...? You really think they sit and just watch if your visions would get realised and Georgia turns to becoem a military thread?

HT, you are grabbing desperately grabbing for anything, eh? Their current GDP is just 20 billion, as was said, and you argue with 10% (actually it varies between 8.5 and 9.4% since 2006, slowly declining, at an inflation rate of over 10%). Do some economical math, and calculate factors like consequences from the war and stock markets, refugees, rebuilding, world economy climate worstening and energy crisis, russian economic intervention and russian stock market manipulations as well. 20 billion, that is just 20 Milliarden in German, and that is not even two thirds of the total worth that is estimated for Finish Nokia corproation. And Georgia will not be able to keep those growth rates forever, they are aleady shrinking since three years - niot to mention what willö be in 10 and 20 years.

I think you are obessed with something, HT. Wake up to reality - trying to imporve by basing one's strategies on false assessements necessarily leads to desaster, since one is not adressing reality with efforts one carries out, but illusions. With such a surreal strategy, maybe even voodoo would be of greater help. You don'T like Russia, fine. I am not really a fan as well. But that does not make the facts different than they are.

I ment that they arent a puppet and will not become one, you seem to think it would be a natural development that you think is completly acceptable.

There are allready 3 pipelines through Georgia.

They hardly have choice after the ceasefire is in affect and international peacekeepers on place, from their point of wiew they should have invaded the country. Now they alieneted Georgia for good, theres no trust left.

http://www.traveldocs.com/ge/economy.htm
Doesnt sound very different from what Finland started of, maybe i have more faith in economical and military dwarfs than you, coming from a big country.

The fact i feel strongly about some things doesnt make unable to analyze the world.
I could say you are obsessed with Russia, you have your vision how world will or should develop and i have mine. I dont see a Europe dominated by Moscow and Berlin axis to happen for exsample. Im not saiyng you have said so, but in case that is your vision.

Oh, yes, it does. Emotions and hate never allow for proper analysis to be made.

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It's 4.5 million Georgiërs against 140 milion Russians. :cool:

And 500.000 men, where do you get them from, the US have 1.4 millioen on a 280 million inhabitans.

I could also argue that you have never been able to be objective on issues concerning Russians. And i dont hate Russians, i think they don know any better, but i dont have much respect for the people in charge of the country.

Concsription, i said so.

Good one, Mikhayl. :lol: