Yahoshua, you have a FFL? It takes 15 minutes to do a name check via NCIS? Wow (not being sarcastic) it took me 60 days to get cleared by both ICE (INS) and the FBI to be elgible for a foriegn adoption. That escapes logic, and I support concealed carry laws.

I'm a trained gunsmith but when I run out of things to do I become part-time register-jockey and process 4473s' for customers.

But no I don't have an FFL per se, the business (the building itself to be specific) has an FFL.

It takes about 5 minutes to fill out the form, 2 minutes for me to make the phone call, and the other 8 minutes to talk to the customer and give him basic firearm safety instruction, ring out the purchase and tell him to have a nice day.

If you have a concealed carry license I don't even have to call the NICS center to have you checked!! The background check for Concealed Weapons Permits are very thorough and if you get even a couple of minor infractions like a single speeding ticket (seems a bit harsh) within the last 5 years you can't get one.

I completely understand your surprise at how quickly these things move in comparison to being cleared for adoptions, but that's beareaucracy for ya. Like I can purchase an AR-15, I can repair full-auto machine guns, do quick jobs for local Law Enforcement Officers, and play with sound supressors but god forbid that I try to purchase a pistol or buy a beer (I'm 20 btw).

The logic behind all of the above escapes me too but oh well.

I notice your avatar says you live in Chicago, you've been a LEO there for a long time I take it?

That is true, but military arms primary function is designed to mame, not kill at range. It is a harder task with anything military. A hunting rifle however has one and only one purpose - kill so you can drag the meat home.

-S

Depends on the military rifle in question.

Eugene Stoner designed the XM-15 to wound and therefore take 3 men out of the battle at once (one wounded, two men to drag you out and fix you) and to clog the rear logistics areas.

Mikhail Kalishnikov designed the AK-47 so a chimpanzee could use and maintain the rifle in the field and still perform it's job (killing enemy soldiers).

So it kinda varies (on a shallow range that is) of what the arms' designed purpose actually is, but then I'd just be splitting hairs on a regular basis (that gets old FAST).

You missed the fact that the Geneva convention requires rifles be designed like this. They are designed purposely not to kill - AS a requirement! Enemies like it for the 3 man rule, and combatants like it because they probably won't be killed.

This is not by accident they are not designed to kill.

Problem is, Stoners XM-15 has a habit of killing at short range to to massive internal damage done by a fragmenting bullet when fired from 14.5" barrels or longer. This was by accident.

At any sort of range however, the AR-15 / M-16 performs as designed and will mame instead of kill as intended.

-S

PS. The AK-47 does a much better job at short range than the AR-15/M-16 - entering and exiting like a small calibre weapon with minimum damage.

PPS. Statistics show that crazies that enter a shopping mall toting a 12 guage loaded with buck shot, you've got a less than 30% of survival rate if hit. If these same crazies enter with an AK-47, your chances are 76% even when hit multiple times. You take your pick.

Is there a lever for "None of the above" ?

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I wish. Though life is all about 'chances and circumstance'. You are dealt the cards you get. Somehow, all card decks are dealt evenly - each and every last person on this planet has a problem of some sort that eats at them. This can be family, money, happiness, moral choices, you name it - but all are equally difficult to overcome. In the end, we are all equal and the same.

-S

But hey, we lived this long in our lives.......don't we at least get a cookie for effort?

Very true. And as they say 'we come into this world with nothing, and we leave with nothing".

Of those hangings, in your estimation what percentage of them were suicide and what percentage were accidental (autoerotic asphyxia)?

I am sorry about your loss of your co-worker dying in the performance of duty.

Law Enforcement Officers seldom get the appreciation they deserve.

No medals, no parades, but every day they are out there protecting us.

I am deeply grateful for our LE professionals.

Thank you for your service to our country and society.

i don't agree against one personel yes but i let you imagine how a massacre like Columbine's would be difficult to achieve with a hunting rifle

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Yahoshua- yeah, had I've had a front row ticket to the greatest show on earth for 16 years now. My capacity on the job has changed, and as much as I've seen us get thrown to the wolves by our media, citizens and higher ups, I wouldn't change places with anyone.


Platapus- Only one was confirmed AEA. The rest were gallows humor so to speak. And thanks for the kind words Sir!

jpm1- Charles Whitman killed 14 and wounded 31 at the University of Texas from the 28th floor of the Tower. Impossible to do that with a handgun.

you're right but what i wanted to say it's that a rifle holder can be stopped much more easily than an automatic weapon holder , it's also more easy for a victim to escape from a rifle holder that's why this kind of weapon 's more easy to own in France than an automatic weapon . Hunting shotguns canno't contain more than 5 cartridges everything's done so that even with the weapons that are more easy to use if something should happen the maniac could be fastly and easily put out of an harmful state by the order forces . As long as i remember i don't remember a short news item in which an unstable person would kill people with an unauthorized weapon it happens sometimes like anywhere else but with a calibre 12 and in general the maniac in worst cases kills it's family and then kills himself as like if he knew if he goes out with such an "inapropriate" weapon he'll be fastly stopped and could die in a not very glorious way

They used a hunting shotgun instead. No military rifle was involved. So what is your point?

On top of this, every shot fired from a hunting rifle would have been more deadly resulting in less injuries and more deaths. Take your pick! And anyone who knows his stuff can fire a hunting rifle nearly as fast as a semi auto! I have some vid on that - good stuff!

-S

jpm1: I kind of get the jist of what you are saying. As a man that has to run towards the armed maniac, my kevlar vest will more then likely keep me alive if that armed maniac is armed with a handgun or shotgun. A hunting rifle for the most part are either bolt action or semi-automatic BUT use a military rifle round. Kevlar vests will just keep a person's intestines from pouring out of the exit wound. The second thing that scares me about long guns, the men armed with them, tend to be very proficient with them!