Hi,
just my two cents. A real boat could keep its depth without moving, at least as there was some energy left in the batteries to actuate the bilge pump, and the electric compressors to recharge pressure tanks for re-blowing the dive and control cells from time to time (they sometimes leaked a bit). This was not possible for a longer time during silent "running" at full stop.

When the boat had a good 1st LI there would be no need to have more than a knot of speed to keep the boat level, at any depth, without pumping for an hour or more.
In 1945 there was even a hovering device that would keep the boat at a given depth automatically (also during a full stop), but it was only built into a few old boats, and certainly into all of the new XXI and XXIII types.

So imagine you are in 1943, in a VIIc boat which is hunted by some escort: you would run silent at not more than 2 knots, all pumps and compressors off. When the escort would start to throw depth charges (heard by the hydrophones) the speed would be set to full, course and/or depth changed, and the pumps would be used as well as the compressors to fill up the pressure tanks, but only for the time until the charges exploded, after which the boat would return to silent running again.

I do not know whether the light leaking of the boat during silent running is realized in SH3 or GWX (caused by stopped bilge pumps and not-watertight seals). Anyway you can run silent until you hear your hydrophone watch tell "depth charges", and switch off silent running as well as change course and raise speed, if only for a short time. Be sure to switch to silent running as soon as four or so charges have exploded. Watch your depth and reset it from time to time. That way you can even survive in the late war.

Greetings,
Catfish

"Stop complaining and get to patrolling!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nah, sorry, I can't be any more definative. I know it is in GWX, but I don't know if it
is in stock. It has been many, many moons since I played stock.
It could be a result of changes to the boat's bauancy(?)

What's your problem?
I'm not blameing GWX for this and I haven't blames GWX for any other bugs!

I don't blame the devs either. Bugs are not the fault of developers. It's just a fact of
complex code that these things happen.

Its not even a GWX bug though or even a SH3 bug IMO so for what its worth you can accept or reject what I have to say to your own content... Its simple physics guys... in a crash dive what do you do? Open your tanks as wide as you can to flood them as quick as you can, to make the boat as heavy as possible so it dives as fast as possible.

So if it doesn't trim at your exact ordered depth straight away... surely that is more realistic rather than a "bug"?

These were ancient machines, they didn't have computers to work out the ballast tank trim down to the last litre, they relied on twisting wheels and pulling levers to make it balance out. In a crash dive, I imagine doing that was exceedingly difficult. There is no fault here. Since it doesn't do that in a normal dive....

I rest my case.

Bah!:stare:

You poor sods!

I spent once 5 realtime hours with my good ol IXB in W@W I north of Britania!

Having been caught by surprise (ramming with some Ash-Cans to boot) by one of the DD's; my boot banged up was not leveled the whole time! Stern-heavy.
Flooding and damage and way back with the first REL of LRT. Hah! I made it!:arrgh!:

40 min....don't make me:rotfl:


;)

I think it is a little too erratic to be design.
But that's just irrelevant technical stuff. Design or bug, it does add to the realism as you pointed out. :up:
I'm all for embracing it!

The subs in SH3 seam to me to be very stable. IRL it was totally impossible to keep the
boat level for long without around 2 knots of water passing the planes.

Does SH3 Commander cause depth keeping problems in the malfunctions/sabotage?


I secretly want this to happen. Since installing the correct interior angles it's gotta look great.
Don't tell my crew I said that.

I was thinking more in terms of ASDIC and sonar... will the rough weather render those devices less effective for escorts in GWX?

It certinaly effects passive sonar a lot in all versions of the game.
I can't say 100%, but I think it effects ASDIC to the same extent. I'm sure someone
can confirm/deny this...

It also effects radar and visual spotting a lot.

I only ever make surface attacks if the weather if at least windspeed 5 at night.
You can shadow convoys much closer in rough weather when their radar doesn't
work so well.

Big waves, but high visability on a moonless night is perfect u-boat weather.

Short answer: Yes.

I qoute your post Sir!!

Would you care to explain that?
Without asking what my problem is.
Why do you point at GWX without backup data?
(and stock(?))
Try playing SH3 as it came out of the box before makeing obtuse statements.
You did not say
Is there a bug in GWX
You said
There is a bug in GWX

Well...there is a bug in GWX!
I have no idea if it is a bug inherited from stock or not, hence the question mark.

I'm not saying it is caused by GWX or that it is somehow GWX's fault.
It's just there!

You seam to think I am trying to attack GWX. I am not, I am just trying to explain that
there is a bug, it is in GWX and it may be in stock, but I am unsure if it is in stock.

There are lots of bugs in GWX that are inherited from stock and can not be fixed to
to things like hard-code. That's not anyones fault and I'm sure it does not reflect
badly upon anyone.

It's in GWX and I dunno if it is in stock as well. If it is in stock I assume it it in all mods
that derive from stock, but I don't know!

I don't understand what I have said wrong! :(
I was only trying to help the first poster understand what was happening. I wasn't trying
to blame anyone for bugs or atatck anyone. I just gave all the details about it that I had.

*edit*
How else could I have put it to explain it?

Really!
I saw the bug in GWX, but I don't know if it's a stock bug.
How else can I explain it?

It makes life easier just to blame it on one thing..
My bread-roaster or whatever you call it stopped working, and being a good Kaleun, I immetiatly blamed it on GWX.. they must have put some British thing in it.. you see it helps!

Anyhow, stock is bad, GWX is more bad.. just those damn planes!! grrr.. Sometimes I wonder just by myself, when nobody is around, that we are on a losing war!

:(

Seriously guys. I wasn't trying to blame anything on anyone.

I just don't know how else I can put it.

I haven't said it is the fault of any mod.
I don't know if it's in stock or not.

I'm very upset that I have been misunderstood like this.

I don't know how else I could explain that it is definitely in GWX, but I don't know if it
is in stock or else where.

I don't understand why everyone is so angry. Honestly, I don't.

It's not even a bad bug.

:( :(

Please, I appeal to you to go back and read my words more trustingly. I wrote them
entirely innocently of any offense they might have caused an I am at a loss to explain
why they have caused so much offense.

*edit*
Someone please tell me that they understand what I meant. :(

Calm down.

I understand now what you ment.
It's hard with just reading a statement how it's intended.

One thing I take offence with is GWX and the word BUG!!

I can not even count the hours spent by all the Team members
to resolve issues that most have never seen.

The Team fixed things no one has yet to notice.

So when you say GWX Bug?
I'm all down your throat!!!

If I'm wrong?
No problem.
I'll apologize where needed.

Let's all carry on then.
Sorry to jump on you over a mis-statement.

Please accept my own humble appologies for any misunderstnding I may have
inadvertantly caused and allow me to ensure you that, whilst I still do not fully
understand the confusion, I do not hold you responsable at all and there is really no
need to apologise to me. I am sure it was just a misunderstanding that occured with
out anyone at fault as they sometimes do.

Going off topic: Can you tell me what the GWX font is please?

And returning firmly back on topic:
Have there ever been posotive and negative bauancy mods for GWX?
I think NYGM had the bauancy set up so you constantly went up if you where not
moveing and some other mod had it so you constantly sank.

I think you sink in GWX...right? but not so much at periscope depth.