personally i dont think you were being controversial.

These atrocities happened and were committed by every side of the war. it is impossible to walk away from a war with clean hands.

though this video probably paints a picture that is a little deviated from reality.

nobody can look at this video and say that every crew did these things.

I don't have any problem with you posting it.
It's actually a cool vid taken with a grain of salt.
:up:

The A-bomb topic is a totally different area.
I never agreed with the targets.
But always agreed with dropping them.
I think had we dropped a couple off-shore
we would have gotten the same results.
That's not how it was played out though.
And I think those in charge at the time were abit closer to
the problem.
Right or wrong,
It's already been done.
I wonder how many regret attacking Pearl Harbor.
Or the Hell Ships, Death Marches, and on and on.

we could have dropped two A-bombs and accepted surrender... or we could have waited a short while and let Stalin drop his A-bombs and accepted the near extinction of an entire race of people.

thats the way i look at it.

I think if Stalin had the Bomb at the time?
There would be no Berlin.

I didn't think the Russians got the bomb until the 1950's? Anyone know?

1949

The linked video is a nice edit job. I particuarlly like this one part.

You have a clip of what was orginally a guy shooting a BAR at a mine.

But the mine was clipped out, instead a survivor being rescued put in its place..

But the acutal rescue of the survior was clipped out, and what looks like Kamikaze being shot put in its place. (although as someone noted, it was probably a rope)

End result. American sailor machine gunning surviors with a BAR.

Nice. *golf clap*

edit: And the music sucks. Seems to me this is someone with a poltical agenda wanting to make a music video for Youtube and splicing together a bunch of WW2 color footage to suit the message the author is crafting.

Hardly because of one book. Dracula may or may not have been evil by his own lights, or those of his time, but he was certainly one of the most brutal men who ever lived.
http://www.eskimo.com/~mwirkk/castle/vlad/vladhist.html

Next time, try linking to a video that (a) isn't spliced together to suit someone's political agenda and (b) isn't overlaid with some godaweful music in the background. As Ducimus has pointed out, the REAL footage shows sailors shooting at a mine, not at prisoners floating helplessly in the sea.

If you want to see the REAL footage the linked YouTube video uses, go here: http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/794.cfm

(Caution: it might cause you to re-think how the Americans dealt with sunken ship survivors).

Perhaps brutal by todays standards I admit.
By the standards of the times?
Brutal by needs.

History judges from the worst perspective.
We don't know everything so we speculate by our standards.

There were times the entrances to Rome were lite by burning Christians.
They were impaled also.

Little thought seems to be given to that fact.
That would make the rulers of Rome at that time even worse Brutes.
As they were not Combatants used to scare away invaders?
Why do we not fear the Dark Roman?
But we all fear Dracula?

@Ducimus and LukeFF

Thanks for comeing in and backing up the observations!!

Now that was unnecessary. Maybe he havent seen the real footage before. :-?

I'll agree with you Ferret.
I did post early on it was faked,
the poster apologized not knowing all the facts.
There is no need to slap his hands.

@LukeFF, it's ok man.
We all know it's BS of the highest order.
A mistake was made and I believe all of us have corrected it.
:yep:

@Privateer: I agree, lot's of folks in the past and present have been brutal beyond our comprehension. For example, the ancient Assyrians were said to be lenient with towns who surrendered without a fight, but would make a hill of the skulls of those who resisted. I just differed on the concept that all our knowledge of the big D comes from Stoker.

I also agree the film could be doctored, but I would like to see the originals. It's true all was not sweetness and light, even with the 'good guys'. I read about My Lai when it was front page news.

@ Sailor Steve

You and I see alot of things alike.
If any of use were to really dig?
OMG!!!
The horrors Man has delt to Man in many names and fashions!!
:nope:
One day, We of this day and age also will be looked upon
with repulse and horror.
And so it goes.
For myself,
the saddest part is that what was good and kind
of all past History is overshadowed.
Oft forgotten or not considered.
There had to be the kind and forgiveing.
Else I doubt any of us would be here.

Modding for SH4 and the pacific submarine war, has had me scrounging the net for any.. any resources, any material, any research, etc. So i like to think ive seen all the footage there is to see. When i saw the link in the original post, i had high hopes for new material. Turns out its quite the opposite. :shifty:

As LukeFF cited, some of the footage used in that fake video came from here:
http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/794.cfm

Now if anyone here has a genuine interest, you may find this video, alot more interesting. Its a 44 minute history channel program on subs in the pacific:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=8


As an aside:
There was only one recorded incident of "machinegunning" as we know it in the pacific. It was on USS Wahoo's third patrol under the command of Dudley W Morton:
http://www.warfish.com/patrol3con.html
http://www.mackinnon.org/wahoo-3rdmi...ntroversy.html


Similarly theres only one recorded incident of machine gunning in the atlantic. It was the first patrol of U-852 under the command of Heinz-Wilhelm Eck. Search U-boat.net, im sure you'll find the apporpriate links.