With this one you're lucky, I've studied the changes in the terrain files, with a little change to my terrain extractor we'll be able to tweak the terrain as in sh3.
I'll port the canals/scapa mod in sh3 to sh4 as soon as I can, probably by next weekend I'll make a release FREE TO USE BY EVERYONE, WITH NO EXCEPTIONS :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: .

Ref

COOL!!! :up: :up: :up:

...and so it begins. Liquid awesomeness redux! :rock:

I'm more or less up to my neck right now with RL work and for a couple of days but I'll be contacting you when I've more time.


Ref

Hi Ref! Great news! We will stay in contact!

Type VIIC (very early) interior WIP by Ref w/animated obs scope.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV8AqWH9u5g

Looks amazing
 

That interior looks great! How are you walking around inside?

shift+f2

Ref

Don't count on it.

*smiles*

:up:

The cultures are too different
 

It's a totalitarian police state against a Western democracy. It's Microsoft against Linux. It's proprietary against open source. Can't work. No cooperation is possible there, only coexistence. They bring out the best and sometimes the worst. in each other. You should duck when they start trading 5" shells though. :arrgh!: It's all in good fun, they just can't stand each other.

But kids who believe in sharing their toys cannot play with kids who would hoard all the toys because in the end one kid ends up with it all and the other kid goes home to mommy emptyhanded. Let them play separately and they can both have fun.

I really wish that english where my first language, but I'll give it a try.

What's wrong with having different ways to work and solve things?
We (GW Team) have a method of work that may not be the best (definetly not the most popular :lol: ), we like to cook things slowly, put all the small pieces together and only after carefull testing we release them as a hole package, we don't like to release small bits of things as we discover them, but when they are fully tested and as an integrated part of what we wan't to achieve with the game, we decide as a group what to do and what not to, what is worth releasing and what not, so what's the problem with that?, all modders here do the same, they are not advertising what are they methods or secrets before they release a mod, the difference is that as we are working on a larger scale our development times are larger, so it'll seem that we're holding back information, in the long run our only intention is to be able to play the game as we like, and judging by the results with over 20000 downloads of our work we're not that much out of target.
To finalize neither the sh4 modding comunity is a perfect model of a western democracy, nor we are a totalitarian police.... we just have different ways to see things, nothing wrong with that.

Ref

I think we are going to try this time. I think we are going to start getting along and see what happens. Nothing happens overnight, so my vote is that we not dwell on the negative just yet.

Lets see what happens...

SH5........

Liberty.........

Shore Patrol............

Olongapo......

Magsaysay Blvd........

Frogmen.........

For, AOTD clan and GWX team.
Good luck and good work guys.:p
We all awayting for your pieces of works.:up:

*looks up, down, left and right* I think I just said that.:hmm: When GWX decides to share their toys like the rest of the SH4 modders they can join the modding community. Otherwise, they are valuable not for their support of the modding community, because they do not, but only for whatever products they release.

As a member of GWX, you are not free to cooperate with a SH4 modder or modders and let them use GWX tools to produce something helpful in their project. Neither will the SH4 modders, knowing any sharing is one way only, and will benefit only GWX, "share" because they dare not. "Share" means different things to the two communities.

No, the cultures are incompatible. Both are capable of producing quality. GWX quality benefits players, but freezes out the modding community, unless they are willing to join the collective. Members of the collective are not free to let outsiders use GWX toys. It is the will of one man, upon whom it depends for its very existence. If Kpt Lehmann takes up a new hobby (perhaps producing avatars and environments for IMVU :rotfl:) GWX is toast, just as Communism collapsed after the deaths of the old guard from the revolution.

The SH4 model benefits players, offering them more choices, and builds a stong modding community with independent individuals making cooperative but not directed choices, making their tools available to all. It is a stronger organization, able to weather even the death of its leading modder to emerge stronger than before. It appears not as efficient, and must be admitted to have some defects and inefficiencies. Its strength is that it celebrates the independence of the individual and effectively uses coopetition (Darrell Waltrip: ingenius linguist!:rotfl:) to improve all members. It is an open society which shares tools and methods freely to benefit the entire modding community.

It is just like the cold war where the Communists redefined all the terms. Negotiating for "peace" was a joke because the Commies had just redefined the term as "a condition where there was nobody else left to interfere with world socialism." We were negotiating for coexistence, they were negotiating for domination." Every negotiation depended on western concession to "grease the skids" before there could even be a talk. Then the talk would be much chest beating and threatening and nothing accomplished. Before Reagan had the guts to walk away from Reykjavik and basically said, "You want an arms race? Let's boogie!" they had it all their way.

Those two cultures cannot cooperate. It would be mixing diesel fuel and fertilizer. BOOM! Better to let the fertilizer grow plants and the diesel fuel deliver them to hungry people.

Coexistence is possible. Cooperation by normally understood English language terms is not.