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Originally Posted by jumpy

50% greater birth rate than the UK is nothing to shout 'god bless america' :lol: about when you consider that's compared to the population of the UK being 60,943,912 (July 2008 est.) and the US 303,824,646 (July 2008 est.) https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ook/index.html

You missed the part about sustaining population. The US of A is still sustaining and growing via birth rates. THe UK however is only sustaining/growing due to immigration/longer life span. That is what is at issue. Though there is decline in the blue states in the USA. No doubt about that.

-S

We already know all of this.

OK then Subman, lets see whats propping up your countries' birth rate then..........Whoooops:

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Teen pregnancy rates are much higher in the United States than in many other developed countries-twice as high as in England and Wales or Canada, and eight times as high as in the Netherlands or Japan.

http://www.free-press-release.com/ne...207250874.html

Damn liberal policies! :nope:

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Originally Posted by mrbeast

OK then Subman, lets see whats propping up your countries' birth rate then..........Whoooops:

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http://www.free-press-release.com/ne...207250874.html

Damn liberal policies! :nope:

Sadly with our abortion rates, most or many will be terminated. :nope:

-S

Ah, immigrants. They're not real Britons now, are they?

You still havent answered my question about what you expect us to do about it.

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

It's easy, try to picture Subman wrapped in a british flag, yelling at a bunch of immigrants "victory will come from the womb of our women !", and urging young british looking boys & girls to marry each other and make babies. quick !

Are you sugesting that SUBMAN1 would be in the BNP?
By George, I think you might be right.:smug:

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Didin't the nazis try something like this, encouraging blond aryans to have as many babies as they could.

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

It's easy...to picture Subman wrapped in a british flag...

Maybe for you! :p

PD

'Trust me, everything functioned fine before loose immigration entered the picture.'

Well, frankly, subman, I don't trust you. You seem to be expousing opinions about a situation you know very little about, and you definitely have a very naive view of British history. At what precise point in the history of the British Isles did we not have immigration? The nature of our culture as a trading, seafaring nation, has always meant that we have a relatively high rate of immigration, and very good for the country it has generally been, too. It is one of the reasons that we tend to have a more balanced world view, not leading to simplistic, black and white, arguments.

You appear to see all immigration as a negative thing - can I ask why? Is it based on some racist viewpoint, perhaps an outdated view of racial or cultural purity? Interesting, especially as you are living in a country which relied almost entirely upon immigrants to establish itself in the first place. You may be in danger of denying your own cultural heritage.

Pointless drivel. I can't understand the point he is making. In fact when Subman1 posts about stuff to do with Britain it's in this sarcastic manner. Makes you wonder if he is anti-british.

AS for marriage in the UK. My opinion is that marriage is too easy and divorce is too easy. Coupled with the attitude that relationships are a commodity (this is in general not specifics) and disposable. I believe in marriage but at the same time realise it doesn't always work out, sometimes for good reasons but in my experience with my friends who are marriage and divorce statistics it was over silly things they couldn't be bothered working through.

My point is this. Why if you have been with someone for a long time eg >10 years you don't get married? Especially if you have children together. The thing that I found interesting for me with jumpy is he doesn't see why he shouldn't get to keep what is his. Well that is what marriage is about, a commitment and sharing your life ergo posessions with someone else. Now Jumpy's parents are divorced so that has affected his view on marriage. Fair do's I can respect that. However I think in general that society has become so consumed with the have it all when you want it that marriage has been eroded by government and society.

Saying that subman don't get what you are crowing about.

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Pointless drivel.

If thats you attitude, its about as pointless as anything else on this forum. Just because you don't like the message, doesn't make it pointless.

I should point out, my point is from the beginining is the loss of interest in marriage in the UK. Not sure where I lost people on that, but it seems to be only UK'rs that I lost. Maybe there is a point to be made here? :hmm: Pun not intended though.

-S

Look what I found!

-S

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The Demise of Marriage in Britain

According to a new report by Britain’s Office for National Statistics, the proportion of Britons getting married “has collapsed to a record low,” and that is a quote. One critic of the current government called it “a disaster for children, families, and society.” But, unlike natural disasters, this disaster is completely man-made.

In 2006, there were approximately 237,000 weddings in Britain—the fewest since 1895, when Victoria was still queen and Britain’s population was about half of what it is today. In fact, “the proportion of men and women getting married is below any level found since figures were first kept nearly 150 years ago.”

The marriage rate for British men is 22.8 per 1,000 and for women 20.5 per 1,000.
Clearly, British marriage is in trouble, and there is no shortage of suspects.

Conservative Tories point to politically correct tax policies and government benefits that treat all living arrangements as equal—civil unions. The idea has been to shift “the tax burden away from families” and “provide incentives for all couples to get and stay together.”

Well, maybe there is some sound economic reasons for that, but what is far more important is how these policies shape cultural attitudes toward marriage. And, as the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, while culture does precede politics, politics can and does influence culture. And the law, after all, is a moral teacher.

In Britain’s case, this politically correct politics “for a decade maintained that all kinds of families are equally valuable.” Government officials “have campaigned for all references to marriage to be removed from state documents”; and a plan for helping British children “does not even mention marriage once.”

This is why researcher Patricia Morgan says that “[the marriage numbers are] what [government policies] have tried to achieve, and they ought to be congratulating themselves.”

According to Morgan, the government has encouraged the creation of marriage substitutes, what she calls “Marriage Lite.” The best-known of these legally recognized cohabitations is “civil unions.” What started out as an accommodation for same-sex couples has become an alternative to marriage for millions of heterosexual Europeans.

As Peter Wehner of the Ethics and Public Policy Center says, what is going on in Britain is “part of a broad, on-going trend.” Wehner remembers the same Senator Moynihan saying the biggest change he had witnessed in 40 years of politics was “that the family structure has come apart all over the North Atlantic world.”

Bad news—very bad news—because the links between crime and family breakdown are so well-established nobody could deny them anymore. Likewise, the link between marriage and children’s well-being is not a subject for debate—it is documented. And as marriage declines, so does the birth rate.

So, why do societies persist in this? Their worldviews demand it. Their commitment to personal autonomy and sexual freedom will not permit them to make the needed sacrifices to promote healthy families.

And by “them,” I also mean us. The state of marriage in America will be the subject of the president’s meeting with the Pope this week. And it will be the subject of tomorrow’s “BreakPoint.” Be sure to tune in.

This is clearly a case of “be careful what you wish for,” because, sadly, the consequences will not be limited to those doing the wishing.

http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=7757

And things are not perfect on thsi side of the pond either -

Study: Divorce, unwed parenting costs billions

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24119052/

-S

BreakPoint have a rather large investment in the idea of lower marraige rates endangering society, I would think.