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- - VIIB vs. VIIC (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=129110)

My VII B has served me well for 10 war patrols. I'll probably switch to a VIIC/41 when it becomes available and I'll have lots of renown to build it up.

IMO, the type IX boats are like a truck comparing the Type VII to a Porsche.
The niners are slow to dive, don't maneuver well and can not dive as deep as a type VIIC.
The critical later part of the war finds survival as being able to detect the AS ships course, when they drop their loads and being able to turn and move quickly so as not to be where the cans go off and being 50 meters deeper is a big deal as well as the ability to maneuver better.
If you intend on South American/African patrols then the 9 is fine but it does not do well in the big heavily escorted convoys.

But, perhaps that is playing to my methodology and 9Kaleuns have developed their own means to deal with these matters.

I have never run out of batteries in a 7C but that is because too many determined AS never allowed me to live that long.

Wulfmann

Can't disagree with much of what you wrote, but coming across a convoy in a Type IX means you have more firepower to do a lot more damage....provided of course you select the right tactics when planning your strategy http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/pirate.gif

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I am happy to have one less fish and a much better chance to survive. Pre-mid 41 it does not matter much but from mid 41 on it helps and from 5-43 it is a life and death difference.

If you have been running a 7 hop into a 9 and be ready for a surprise.
First you think your PC slowed down when you call to dive as nothing happens
(Now, if you have done SH4 in a pig boat well, that tub diving is like watching paint dry. Very slow drying paint at that!!!)
Then try turning the 9, click hard right rudder and go get a drink while you wait for the turn to start!!!!

Seriously, in a convoy attack the ability to maneuver quickly as a convoy turns, to me, is more important than 6 over 5 fish. After 1940 I fire and dive deep from silent and do not reload so extra reserve is also not a big deal as I operate closer to base for resupply.
They are different experiences and the best one is the one you prefer.
Different war really and I want to do a late war 9 some day. South Atlantic, Indian Ocean definitely not the NA convoys though.

Wulfmann

I just switched to VIIC (from VIIB) and noticed something that wasn't there in VIIB (I think :hmm: ). What is it?

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5628/32639212nq6.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4683/86884219rk9.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Gave up the VII over a year back because of the lack of range and firepower. As I said earlier, the limitations as you see them regarding the IX are valid from your perspective.
But, being a IXer you'll understand my limitations issues with regards to the VII :lol:

Each to our own I suppose http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

LOL is that a snakeskin U-Boat?

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

LOL is that a snakeskin U-Boat?

:lol: Don't be so cruel.....We be over on TS if your not too busy with the yorkshires ;)

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Gave up the VII over a year back because of the lack of range and firepower. As I said earlier, the limitations as you see them regarding the IX are valid from your perspective.
But, being a IXer you'll understand my limitations issues with regards to the VII :lol:
Each to our own I suppose http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

Absolutely each to his own, the right way is the way you want it.

Since range and extra reserve are the advantages to a IX and I can see that so except for the NA convoys battles where do you primarily operate? I believe that is the issue, the right tool for the right job and since I notice most of these were lost away from the NA (though some were lost in the NA as well) it seems their strong points would be further away and with less heavily escorted merchants.
Or, have you adjusted to using these in the big convoy battles?:hmm:

Wulfmann

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Gave up the VII over a year back because of the lack of range and firepower. As I said earlier, the limitations as you see them regarding the IX are valid from your perspective.
But, being a IXer you'll understand my limitations issues with regards to the VII :lol:
Each to our own I suppose http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

TBH I usually go (initially) to wherever SH3 Commander sends me. I usually only hang around for 48 hours and if it's quiet, I then like the range to go 'a hunting' :lol:

Like you've said, I simply try to adjust to the big old girls limitations ;)

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Originally Posted by Julius Caesar

I just switched to VIIC (from VIIB) and noticed something that wasn't there in VIIB (I think :hmm: ). What is it?

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5628/32639212nq6.jpg

I've asked that question before, and never got a good answer. I don't think anybody knows, maybe some kind of antenna or a spike to 'pick up' english survivors... It doesn't seem to be historicaly accurate whatever it is.