You should be applauded for feeling some guilt, Col Frost. It shows that your conscience still has humanity and has not become numbed by the deluge of glorifying death and violence that floods popular media.

On the other hand, try to bear in mind that this is merely a game and such death and destruction as you cause should be taken with a grain of salt. If it continues to bother you, then perhaps you should move on to SH4 where you can play an Allied sub commander.

"Realism" is one of those game industry buzzwords that has to be disregarded to a large degree. Even Silent Hunter III, modded to be as "real" as possible, can only loosely be labeled a "simulator" because it is impossible to accurately duplicate the environment of u-boat warfare on a desktop computer. Yes, an abstraction of u-boat warfare has been very nicely done that has the perception of "real" for the player but you can't call this a simulator in the true sense.

As for having survivors and lifeboats, I think it would be an interesting immersion factor, bringing greater consequence to your actions, but I'm content with simply carrying out my mission by putting as much enemy tonnage on the ocean floor as time, skill, and torpedoes will allow.

As Gen. George S. Patton said about warfare, "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country!"

Lifeboats in SH3? What mod is this? I'd like to have lifeboats in, not to machine gun ;) But to saddle up to and offer help, which is something I always try to do, because a) I get to watch the ship go down and b) it pacifies the little voice in the back of my head that reminds me that my great-uncle was on destroyers in '42 ;)

As for feeling guilty about sinking ships, well, not really, it is war after all, it's us or them really, and I know that later on in the war that the Allies will not hesitate in sinking me so I should not hesitate in sinking them when I have the opportunity. However, it's what you do after the act that's the deciding factor IMHO.

Lol, sorry, I never heard the actual name in English!

Sorry Tomcat... I am very bad at remembering that kinda stuff... :oops:

Nothing to be sorry about herr Kaleun!:up:

Yeah !! What mod is this ? I'd love to give it a try. I wouldn't waste ammo on machine gunning them though. There are better things to use that ammo on and it would be nice to have all the ammo you can possibly have in some circumstances.:D

You'd probably get blown out of the water as the enemy bring everything down on you for sinking their ship :88)


Not exactly good submarine strategy. Its like hanging around at a crime scene :rotfl:

Actually, this was sometimes a strategy back in WWI. Uboats would sink a ship, then wait for the rescue ships to come and then sink them when they tried to pick up survivors. This started a policy of "Not picking up survivors" if the ship had just been torpedoed. A LOT of ship captains however disobeyed those orders and many of their ships got sunk as well.

2x Hood, until now
 

My current career (march'40) has brought HMS Hood twice in my logbook :rock:.

And NO: I do not feel guilty! :yep:
I am eager to send HMS Hood to the fishes for a 3rd time :arrgh!:

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actually, as a sailor at war... you job is to sink the enemy ship, not kill it's personel!
i'm not saying that one should avoid shooting in fear of killing men, but to avoid killing men needlessly!

in "The way to Scappa Flow by Gunther Prien" he sais that on one of the ships he sunk, he met an old ship-mate, with who he had sailed for a long time.

As a matter of fact, I did feel quite guilty today. I attacked a convoy SE of Newfoundland in January 1942, and fired four torpedoes at... HMT Aquitania. Yes, Aquitania. One torpedo hit it in the stern and it sank in 30 minutes. 45000 tons of troop transport. I shouldn't feel guilty about that, but hey, it's the Aquitania.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4...3657jl7.th.jpg

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Sergbuto's mod. Go to his SH3 page. Don't know if the mod download link is still up for use.


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Spork,

Good job! One less transport we must worry about. Take pride in knowing that you've served the Fatherland with the destruction of a major Allied ship. Keep up the good work, and show no mercy (lol).

Certainly there are games that let you do that, but generally they're not based on historical events involving possibly the most evil regime mankind has known and from which there are still (deeply traumatised) survivors.

I can't imagine most people outside of Britain, the principal enemy in SH3, feeling guilty. As a retort, I'd ask you how you'd feel about a first-person shooter where you take the role of a militiaman in an Einzatzgruppen in Poland. First mission has you round up the inhabitants of a Polish village, take them out in the woods, and bayonet them one by one through the eye socket. Later in the game you help liquidate Warsaw after the uprising. Successfully complete the game and be rewarded with a cutscene of your later years running a bookshop in Buenos Aires :88)

You seem to miss the border between realism and pure sadism. I haven't heard about a "pazifikation" nor "SS mass slaughter" game, and I'd have to think a bit before even touching it, as I don't suppose killing civilians or gasing Jews would ever entertain me, no matter what the game graphics and sound would be.

Let's focus on strategy games... A few months ago I enjoyed a lot conquering Poland in Hearts of Iron, I'd have no problems shooting Polish pilots down or defending Monte Cassino against the Polish assault and opening fire at climbing siluettes... Just a game, I'd enjoy playing any side. It has nothing to do with ideology, patriotism or hatred.

So now I'll do my best to sink any allied ship and to kill any allied soldier as a U-Boot commander, as I would equally do my best to sink any U-Boot and take down any Stuka as a British destroyer commander. But I don't play "Destroyer Command", so I don't sink U-Boots. In fact sinking Polish ships entartains me a lot more than sinking Brits or Yanks, cause I always know what I'm sinking and I can imagine that people I dislike are on the deck. ;) A joke.

So, concluding, survivors and lifeboats have nothing to do with sadism, holocaust, mass graves, "pacifications" nor death camps. Anybody that says so should also say, that any SHIII player is a dirty nazi and Hitler's follower.

the reality is cold, brutal, i am amazed and in awe they did this...

rip - respect to all boat crews.